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Aboriginal Archives: The Life, Death, and Neglect of Justice for Lynette "Norma" Daley
2020.09.27 21:57 Halls_of_Durin Aboriginal Archives: The Life, Death, and Neglect of Justice for Lynette "Norma" Daley
This is the first in a collection of true crime events, by themselves uniquely brutal and investigations themselves unquestionable, yet quietly set aside by the local public servants - be the police, justice workers, and others. Lynette Daley
Ms. Lynette "Norma" Daley was born 16.7.1977. Much of her early life has not been reported. She was raised by her mother Thelma and step-father Gordon, a happy, adventures tom-boy who enjoyed tussling with her brothers, climbing trees, and going on adventures. She had dreams of competing in the Olympics. Yet, by 15 she struggled with school, at 16 dropped out, and fell in with a rough crowd. By 16 she had become pregnant and by the time of her death, at 33, consented for her parents to raise her seven children. Yet, despite struggling with alcohol addiction, she attempted to be engaged in her children's lives. However, between 1998 and 2010 Daley dealt with abusive partners and domestic violence. Up to her last week of life, she made efforts to visit her children and her parents - that final time staying for three days. The day before she died she told her sister about a planned holiday with two acquaintances, who the family considered to be at most social friends.
Her name and details were not public until the inquest into the failure to prosecute her death. Much early reporting refers to her simply as "Norma". Her Death Date/Time
26 January 2011 / the early hours of the morning Ten Mile Beach
The location of the sexual assault and death occurred in Ten Mile Beach. This area is near the Coral Sea, relatively secluded beachhead paralleling A1 well south of Gold Coast, New South Wales. Both the water and the sky are bright blue. There the sand is a moderate strip disappearing under a line of large boulders then thick-standing trees. Now and then are warning signs: DANGER inset on a red circle. No lifesaving service, ringed by unstable cliffs and hemmed by strong currents; this is where Daley died. The Accused
Adrian Attwater was stated by some reporting to be Daley's boyfriend. He is now 45. His friend, Paul Maris, now 49, may have known Daley as well. On Australia Day 2011 the three left on a camping cum fishing trip, according to both the accused and Daley's family. Attwater, in particular, was known to Daley's family but they were not familiar with him. The Physical Evidence and the Events
What was discovered on that beach was both blood sodden and burnt. By the time police arrived an hour had elapsed from the 000 call. Daley was cold to the touch, her lips blue, possibly her extremities blanched with bloodloss. Her blood was everywhere, not just covering her legs and congealed in a large clot between her feet but across the sand, the vehicle, a mostly-burned mattress, and the jeans of one of the accused.
A forensic pathologist found vaginal injuries more severe than found in precipitous (traumatic) childbirth.
The sexual acts, said by both men to be consensual, involved Attwater placing his right hand into Daley's vagina. When questioned by police Attwater demonstrated at act by clenching his right hand into a fist. When asked if the act was referred to as "fisting" he replied "Just about, yeah" but denied he did it roughly. Maris also stated the sexual activity occurred by describing it: Attwater "fisted her". During re-interviews Attwater modified that act to using four fingers only to the depth of the base of his thumb in as "fishtail movement". Maris, however, re-enacted a clenched fist in vigorous horizontal movements.
Both men stated that after they reached Black Rock Camping Area, in the dark, late-night or very early morning, Attwater and Daley had sexual activity. After a while, Attwater invited Maris into the back of the vehicle to engage in this sexual activity. Daley was on her hands and knees with her head towards the front of the vehicle. Her track plants were misplaced at this point. Attwater was digitally penetrating Daley. Upon Attwater's instructions, Daley attempted to fellate Maris, but according to Maris he was not aroused or interested. Attwater became aware at this time of blood on his hand, which made it clear it was coming from Daley.
The sexual activity immediately stopped.
Between sustaining the fatal injury and her death Daley attempted to clean herself, rest on an ice-chest, and went for a short drive in the front passenger seat. The men claim she made no statements of pain or discomfort.
Immediately after noticing the blood, Daley went to clean herself in the ocean. On her way out the vehicle she rested for a moment - she sat on top of an ice-chest. Whatever quantity of blood she left was wiped away by Attwater at Maris' request. Maris said Daley had "put blood all over the Esky [ice-chest]."
It seems apparent she would have been bleeding profusely.
Police photographs showed blood had pooled between the back of the chest and the wall of the vehicle; despite efforts, large smears of blood were still evident. They travelled further up the beach. After they parked a second time Daley crawled into the back seat. She had lain there on the mattress, naked, cold, and intoxicated, and continued to bleed out.
Between the time the vehicle was parked and the men returned from attempting to force a new beach access track Attwater and Maris did not communicate with Daley. When they return to the vehicle the accounts differ slightly; Attwater claimed Daley made it to the front seat under her own power. Maris was more uncertain, saying: "I’m not sure whether Adrian put her in the front or if she got in by herself…" As dawn was breaking the vehicle pulled away from the Black Rock Camping Area.
At this time the men discuss the smell. Maris suggested the mattress be disposed of, describing the smell as "... like she might have crapped in the back of the car or something." This, he claimed, is why they stopped after only 1km of the trek and went on to burn the bedding, Daley's bloody bra, and other items. Maris said he burnt the bra because he didn't think Daley would want it anymore. He never asked her. To remove the mattress Maris had to remove the fishing rod holders, open the bonnet, and use the disconnected fuel line to fill a coke bottle with petrol. Everything was replaced and the diesel poured over the mattress and other items; it was then set alight. The track pants were not there. While Maris was doing this, he says Attwater and Daley went for a swim and "to go and clean themselves."
Attwater claimed he did not know Maris intended to burn the materials. When asked about how much blood was on the mattress, Attwater indicated a blood pool about 10cm in diameter; Maris said there was "blood everywhere". Attwater said that around that time Daley appeared to suffer some sort of seizure. He and Maris pulled her from the water. Attwater stated she wasn't breathing and had no pulse, so rolled her into a recovery position. Attwater being CPR while Maris dialled 000. Maris also went to get help from another - a man named Miller, camping nearby.
Miller states they drove back to find a man, wearing jeans, performing CPR on a woman who appeared to have been dragged from the water. Attwater claimed to be naked. Miller went on to say Daley had sand on her face and in her hair. There appeared to be blood coming from her vagina and matted in her public hair. At Maris' request, Miller began CPR. He found her to be cold and hold no pulse. He formed the opinion she was dead but continued to perform compressions as instructed by EMS. Miller noticed a large blood clot directly below her feet. It later had been measured by police to 150mm in diameter.
Before 0700 Maris went to flag down another vehicle. While he did so, Miller voiced his suspicions to ambulance corp.
EMS arrived at 0657. Officers arrived. Police Sergeant McDonald asked Attwater about the identity of the deceased. Attwater produced Daley's Commonwealth Bank keycard from his wallet. Blood smears were found in numerous areas within the vehicle. Those and burnt samples were collected. The Autopsy
An autopsy found Daley died from blunt force trauma to her genital tract and had suffered horrific internal and external injuries after a violent sex act. Moderate to severe force tore and/or overstretched the vaginal lining which led to blood loss and shock; a circulatory crisis with low blood pressure and inadequate tissue and organ perfusion lead to organ failure and death. Daley's BAC was reported as between 0.303% (femora) and 0.352% (vitreous humour) - which are fatal ranges. There were no features of drowning. “Blunt force genital tract trauma”
was concluded as the primary cause of death – blood loss and hypovolaemic shock
was the mechanism of death. Severe alcohol intoxication exacerbated the impact of blood loss. The kidneys and brain were pale
supporting blood loss and low blood pressure.
Numerated injuries were as follows:
- a jagged 45mm laceration commencing just below the clitoris that passed downwards along the anterior wall of the vagina.
- on the left lateral wall of the vagina was a 120mm long laceration associated with a large amount of overlying clotted blood. That laceration commenced near the cervix and was associated with deep bruising to the underlying soft tissue in an area approximately 100mm in diameter.
- There was also bruising along the right side of the vaginal wall.
- Blood clots overlayed both lacerations. (clotting only occurred while a person is alive)
- The anus showed slight superficial lacerations up to 5mm in length.
- Numerous superficial scratches were found on her legs.
- Numerous superficial bruises were found on Norma’s arms, wrists, torso and abdomen. They were at least 24 hours old.
The time between the injuries upon Daley's person and her death are difficult to determine. The decline could have been from an hour to as many as four hours. Minutes before death she would have been noticeably paler and sweating, as well as unable to walk without aid. The injury while examined by an obstetrician and gynaecologist expert (gyno) advised that the tearing itself was unusual in “normal” consensual penile-vaginal intercourse only having been recorded in two instances, both with life-threatening blood loss and needed emergency surgery. The gyno suggested Daley sustained a torn artery producing raid and sustained blood loss.
The coroner's conclusions, with Daley named as Norma :
...I am inclined to accept as accurate Mr Maris’ demonstration of a vigorous punching motion as the most likely explanation for the injuries having been sustained. In my own view the anus laceration, while not one to bleed profusely, would have caused considerable discomfort. Walking or sitting would have been difficult. Even at the outset of four hours by the time Miller arrived to render aid Daley could have been dead for an elapsed period. Media Coverage
Mr Attwater does not claim that Norma gave verbal consent to his actions. In the circumstances, in my view, Norma would not have had the capacity to meaningfully consent to the sexual acts that caused the injury that led to her death and Mr Attwater was not entitled to interpret her lack of resisting as consent....
I also conclude that it is more likely than not that Norma would have felt pain as a result of the injuries and have communicated this immediately.
Even if one accepts that there was no immediate complaint and that the men believed the blood seen was only menstrual blood, which I don’t, it is inconceivable that Norma would not have known that she was injured and bleeding unnaturally. It is also unbelievable that she would not have communicated this to the person responsible for causing it.
I conclude that both men are dishonestly denying any such complaint was made because they fear it reflects adversely on them.
...She was dearly loved by her family and she returned that affection. I know she is sadly missed by her children, her siblings, her parents and her extended family. I offer them all my sincere condolences.
The court expresses its contempt and disgust for the callous disregard for her welfare shown by her supposed friends Messrs Attwater and Maris.
The fatal injuries were accidentally inflicted during sexual activity undertaken at a time when it is likely Norma was too intoxicated to be able to meaningfully consent to such activity. The person responsible for the injury failed to respond to it by seeking medical attention for Norma even though she was because of her circumstances and condition incapable of obtaining that for herself.
The Daily Examiner headlined the assault as a "‘Wild sex’ led to woman’s death"
in 2014. The News.com.au May 10, 2016 report was headlined, “Campaign for justice over death of Lynette Daley, left to bleed after ‘wild sex.'”
Much of the early coverage was tabloid based. With the terminology used the News.com.au article was found to breach the Standards of Practice of the Press Council
, stating that "...the Council considers that the heading and the first paragraph misleadingly and unfairly suggested Ms Daley had consented to sexual acts immediately before her death." Even non-Australian media, like the Guardian in 2016, headlined: "Death that shocked a town: case reopens on woman who died after sex with two men on remote beach
". The Investigation
The NSW Director of Public Prosecutions Lloyd Babb withdrew both charges for Attwater and Maris in 2012 before they reached a committal hearing. After an inquest in 2014 State Coroner Michael Barnes referred the men to the DDP again, stating that a case was likely but Babb refused to prosecute them.
"It disturbed me that following the coroner's recommendation and with the material that was contained in the coroner's brief the decision was made by the DPP not to prosecute on any charges," said Robert Tumeth, Aboriginal Legal Service lawyer who represented Daley's family at the 2014 inquest. Additional Criminal History
Maris' violent history
- Six serious assault charges between 1995 and 2005, including two counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm
- Two counts of assault
- Two counts of assaulting police
- In 2005, he was ordered to enter full-time residential rehabilitation, commence drug and alcohol counselling, and participate in an anger management course
- In 2015, he was sentenced to 12 months in jail for going armed with intent to commit an indictable offence and destroying property
- Other convictions between 1988 and 2010 include malicious injury, possessing prohibited drugs, administering prohibited drugs, and multiple counts of drink driving
Attwater's criminal history includes:
Failure to Prosecute 27 January 2011
- Two serious convictions for assaulting police in 1994 and 2010 - he was sentenced to nine months in jail for the second offence
- Between 1989 and 2008 multiple counts of drink driving as well as speeding, driving while disqualified, driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle, stealing, and cultivating prohibited plants
police charged Attwater with manslaughter and Maris with being an accessory after the fact. 2012
DPP withdrew both charges, stating there was no proof of intent to harm. 2014, Inquest
State Coroner Michael Barnes referred the men to the DPP, stating they likely had a case to answer. Again, Babb refused to charge them. February 2016
Babb was asked to review his decision by Attorney-General Gabrielle Upton. 21 June 2016
Independent legal adviser reviews case, leads DPP to prosecute Four Corners
ABC’s Four Corners
program covered the story in 2016, leading to national attention Pleas and Trial22 June 2016
Attwater and Maris were charged 2 Aug 2016, Grafton local court
Attwater and Maris appeared, granted bail 2 December 2016, Supreme Court
Attwater pled not guilty
to manslaughter and aggravated sexual assault. Maris pled not guilty
to being an accessory to both counts. 1 Aug 2017, Supreme Court
Trail commences, Attwater and Maris on dock together.
A short clip from a police interview with Mr Attwater was played in court..."It was my f****** hand," Mr Attwater [discussing the act] could be heard saying in the recording. 6 September 2017, Supreme Court
And later, "girls will be girls and boys will be boys."
Jury deliberated for 32 minutes - both Attwater and Maris were convicted. Attwater found guilty of manslaughter and aggravated sexual assault - 19-year sentence, with a non-parole period of 15 years and three months and Maris found guilty of hindering the collection of evidence and aggravated sexual assault - nine-year sentence, with a non-parole period of six years and nine months. Now 25 March 2020
Attwater appeals conviction with NSW Court of Criminal Appeal Between 2012 and 2013, indigenous women were hospitalised for non-fatal family violence assault at 34.2 times the rate of non-indigenous women. Between 2008 and 2012, in New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory, the death rate from homicide for indigenous people was seven to eight times higher than for non-indigenous people. Indigenous people are 3% of the Australian population.
- Aboriginal woman raped to death but white suspects yet to face trial five years later
- Daley family confronts the alleged killer
- Inquest into the death of Norma [currently unavailable 27 May 2020]
- Lynette Daley's death: NSW DPP under scrutiny over unprosecuted killing
- Lynette Daley manslaughter trial: boyfriend jailed for at least 14 years
- Two victims, no justice
- Lynette Daley's killer appealing verdict
- Lynette Daley: Family press for justice as Ten Mile Beach victim is named for first time
- Wauchope man one of two charged over Lynette Daley's death
- Four Corners: Callous Disregard
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2020.09.04 11:46 Str8Outta2750 Re-post and Update - The Disappearance of Rista Chanthavixay (Sydney, New South Wales, Australia – 24 March 2009)
Last year, I posted on this subreddit the case of Rista Chanthavixay - a girl who disappeared after being last seen in Liverpool, a South-Western suburb of Sydney, Australia, on 24 March 2009 (link to previous post - here
). My previous post was on the 10th anniversary of her last confirmed sighting.
I have decided to submit this new post, to again highlight and bring attention to Rista's case - but also to recap, update and also expand upon details regarding it too. Sadly, Rista's case still remains unsolved; however the major development in the past 12 months has been, that her case has been reopened by the New South Wales Police - with a Strike Force being formed by the Unsolved Homicide Squad (also known as the Unsolved Homicide Unit - the NSW Police seem inconsistent in their naming/reference to this division) to reinvestigate her case. On this point, I would also refer fellow Redditors to the post made by u/peachywine
in September last year for further reading (link - here
I have been intrigued by Rista's case, since I first heard about it a few years ago - for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it was a case that, in my view, seemed to receive little attention - aside from an advertising campaign in Sydney, of which Rista was the focus of, during Missing Persons Week in August 2010 (Source: Campaign Brief
). Secondly, it is a case littered with contradicting and even erroneous details in its reporting - notably the spelling of her surname (I will get to that later on).
However, I am going to recap Rista's case in two main parts - firstly, the outline of her case, based on the facts to date; and secondly, I'm going to discuss other talking points on Rista's case - based around statements from anecdotal sources, which I believe are worthy of at least a discussion. I will close out this post with my personal opinion and theories on her case. Background and Case Outline
Rista Chanthavixay (her surname pronounced as “Chahn-ta-wi-sai” - which is of Lao origin) was 15 years old (born on 5 July 1993, according to this published source - link
), at the time she disappeared. She had grown up in the South-Western Sydney suburb of Heckenberg - and has been described in reports as being of both Lao and Cambodian background (although questions do surround the accuracy in reporting on her background, which I’ll also get to further on).
In the lead up to her disappearance, Rista had moved out of her family home; and moved in with her boyfriend (whom she attended school with) - at his family's home in the neighbouring suburb of Mount Pritchard, around November 2008. According to reports, Rista allegedly had a falling out with her father. She had only limited contact with her mother, after leaving home. She was a student at Ashcroft High School; and had recently started a part-time job at McDonald’s in Bonnyrigg Heights – working one shift a week.
On the day of her disappearance, Rista had an apparent argument with her boyfriend - according to some reports, possibly over their relationship status. Although there's conflicting details of where this incident took place - it appears it occurred in Liverpool, around the vicinity Westfield Shopping Centre - most probably at the nearby Apex Park. Most reports indicate the argument took place in the afternoon, some quoting at approximately 4.15 pm - which would have been after school for Rista and her boyfriend. Following this exchange; her boyfriend then left, leaving Rista behind and alone at the scene (allegedly, Rista requested to him that she wanted to be "left alone"), ultimately not to see her again. This incident is declared to be her last ‘confirmed’ sighting, according to NSW Police.
Rista failed to return to the home she shared with her boyfriend and his family (or for that matter, her family's home either); and failed to return to her school; or her workplace. Her known bank account (reportedly containing a nominal value of "...more than $200"
); and her mobile phone account, have remained untouched since her disappearance. She has also not made any known (or verified) contact with any of her family, known friends or associates.
Her case was not made public by NSW Police until four months later, in July 2009 (Source: Sydney Morning Herald
). Police did express concerns for her safety and welfare; and did not rule out foul play - however, they did suspect she had run away with some leads indicating as such.
It has been reported, there were alleged multiple sightings of Rista around the Campbelltown/Macarthur region of South-Western Sydney, following her last confirmed sighting. All of these sightings are classified as "unconfirmed" (or "not verified") by the NSW Police.
The first of these alleged sightings - she was allegedly seen by a friend at Campbelltown Railway Station, a month after her reported disappearance (Source: Liverpool City Champion
). A more recent article in the Daily Mail (Link: via MSN
) has implied (although not explicitly stated) that this friend may have even spoken directly to Rista during this sighting; and may also have been the origin of the reported lead of Rista allegedly being headed interstate for Melbourne. However, it has been implied (again not explicitly stated) in this article by the Daily Mail, but also by the Daily Telegraph (link to article here
- note, blocked by paywall), that NSW Police have since dismissed this lead as "false" or "not credible".
The second of these sightings, was by a fellow student from Ashcroft High School (Rista's school) - which allegedly took place two months after her reported disappearance at a shopping centre within Campbelltown. This is according to an article published by The Sunday Telegraph in August 2010 for Missing Persons Week - which is available on Pressreader here
(note - blocked by paywall). However, for interest of readers - here's an extract of this article, which also documents NSW Police's public stance on Rista's case at the time:
Rista was 15 when she was last seen at Apex Park in Liverpool on the morning of March 24 last year. She was reported missing to police by her worried Ashcroft High School teacher after she failed to attend classes.'' Friends and colleagues at her old job at McDonald's say they haven't seen her,'' Detective Senior Constable Mark Kneipp said. ''She didn't show up at school again or go home to her parents, and they are devastated by her disappearance.'' But he said police had reason to believe Rista, now 17, is still alive. ''She was sighted by a school peer two months after her disappearance, at nearby Campbelltown shopping centre and, for whatever reason, she ducked and ran off,'' he said. ''We believe she is alive and we want her to contact us to let us know she is safe and well.''
It should be noted, there is no "Campbelltown Shopping Centre" in Campbelltown - however there is Campbelltown Mall and Macarthur Square Shopping Centre within the area. The Police could be referring to the former, however it might be the latter.
Aside from these two alleged sightings, it was reported that there were other sightings of Rista, at the aforementioned Macarthur Square Shopping Centre (Source: The Middle-East Times International Australia
) – although there’s no further specific details regarding these sightings.
However, the viewpoint of the investigation had changed by February 2012 - NSW Police had been unable to find any trace Rista (presumably through other identity checks – known as “Proof of Life Checks” - via various Government databases) up to that point. Her case was then referred to the NSW Coroners Court for a Coronial Inquest, scheduled for April 2012 (Source: News.com.au
). Although it appears not to have been publicly reported until September 2019 (when her case was reopened), her Inquest did proceed, presided by then Deputy Coroner Paul McMahon. Although the full Findings from her Inquest has not been made public, Mr McMahon made the following finding:
“Rista Chanthavixay died on or about March 24, 2009. As to the place of her death and the manner and cause thereof, the evidence does not enable me to make a finding,”
Mr McMahon referred Rista's case to the Unsolved Homicide Squad of the NSW Police.
Rista's case, despite some sporadic appeals in local media within South-Western Sydney; and on social media; would remain cold until September 2019 - when NSW Police announced the Unsolved Homicide Squad were reopening Rista's case; forming a Strike Force to specifically undertake a full reinvestigation of her case (Sources: Daily Mail via MSN
; Daily Telegraph
- note, blocked by paywall).
The reopening of Rista's case, is part of a drive by the NSW Police to review and reopen all outstanding unsolved Missing Persons and Homicide cases. It was reported the Police would be reinterviewing people - including her boyfriend (who according to reports, was declared not to be a suspect in the original investigation; and also reported as "co-operative" in their investigations); her family; and her friends.
As of this point, there have been no further updates or reports on Rista's case. We can only presume; and hope; that the investigation is still ongoing. Although I do have the impression that the NSW Police Unsolved Homicide Squad has been quite busy - they have had a number of developments in other cases (many of them promising), which has been reported in the media within these last few months. Talking Points – Conflicting Information and Anecdotal Accounts
Before exploring other potential points in Rista's case, I will cover the points of conflicting information reported about Rista over the years.
Firstly regarding her surname - it has been widely misspelt as "Chathavixay" in articles over the years; and this misspelling still appears in articles from time to time. The correct spelling of her surname is definitely Chanthavixay. My suspicions are, the original misspelling was a mistake on the original Press Releases by the NSW Police, when her case was made public back in July 2009.
Secondly is her location of her last confirmed sighting. Variously it has been documented as being at Mount Pritchard, at Wyoming on the New South Wales Central Coast (which is still listed on her profile, on the Australian Federal Police's National Missing Person's Co-ordination Centre website - here
; this information is most likely incorrect); and Liverpool. Even on the point of Liverpool, there are conflicting reports that she was last seen either at Liverpool Westfield Shopping Centre, or at Apex Park - which should be noted, both localities are one block away from each other. I will get to the point of anecdotal information on her last confirmed sighting
Thirdly is who reported her missing and when. There are various conflicting reports - some claiming her boyfriend (and his family); her family; or her school (or one of her teachers) reported her missing - and some reports suggesting she was reported missing variously from a few days, through to a few months, after she disappeared. I will also discuss anecdotal information on this point.
Now onto the anecdotal accounts - I have seen during my research of her case, on social media platforms, comments from people on Rista's case - some of those from people identifying to have known her. I'll need to tread carefully here - I must emphasise these statements can't be considered as "fact" and are as such, unsubstantiated. But they are a perspective, which might open up theories and ideas about her case. I won't be linking any of these (to protect peoples' privacy and also as per this subreddit’s rules), but I will document below points of information I've seen. Her last confirmed sighting:
I've seen two sources claim that her last sighting (by her boyfriend) did take place at Liverpool. One of those sources goes further by refuting that the last sighting was at Mount Pritchard; and specifically states it took place "near Westfields Liverpool". The other source makes an interesting statement, that Rista and her boyfriend had an argument over money; and that Rista told her boyfriend she wanted to be left alone, which he did. Being reported missing:
I've seen one source claim she was reported missing to Police rather promptly, although not specifying who made that report. This source also alleges the Police took their time in actioning their investigation and search of Rista.
Another source does state that it was her boyfriend who contacted Police over her disappearance; this same source also indicates it was not the first time Rista was reported as missing to Police - which I'll cover within the next point. Her relationship with family; and leaving home:
This source covers information specific to her family. Firstly, this source posted information which suggests Rista is actually of predominately Lao and partially Thai background; contradicting reports of her being of Lao and Cambodian background.
This source also goes into the events leading to Rista running away from home. Firstly, they claim that Rista had been frequently sneaking out of the house at night, apparently unknown to her own family for quite some time. Her parents, according to this account, were highly protective of their children (and from what I can work out: Rista being the eldest of four children in her family).
Regarding her relationship with her father - this source claims the two, for the most part, had actually been quite close. However, this source alleges Rista may have made certain statements to others about her father (without going into specifics, it was negative in nature), which may have been untrue. I’ve also seen other separate sources suggest that Rista may have told others that her parents disapproved of her boyfriend and was on bad terms with them, as a result.
Regarding her leaving home - the source claims that Rista ran away from home, completely unannounced and to the surprise of her family, on the night of her high school formal. Simply, she went to the formal with her boyfriend; and never returned home. Her family then reported her as missing to Police - with the Police eventually finding Rista at her boyfriend's place. It turned out she had moved in with him and his family, however as Police deemed her to be in a "safe environment", they did not force Rista to return home. This situation caused great distress to her family – especially as they did want her to return home; and apparently pleaded with the Police to further intervene, but to no avail. This event would have taken place in November 2008. Potential sightings and events surrounding her disappearance:
Aside from the reported unconfirmed sightings in the Campbelltown area, as previously mentioned – I have seen people on social media make other comments regarding other potential sightings.
I’ve seen one member of the public, in a response to an appeal on social media, state they may have taken a photo at Noorumba Reserve at Rosemeadow (which is in the Campbelltown/Macarthur region) around September 2009, which apparently appears to contain a girl with very similar features to Rista. However, this claim does appear to be unsubstantiated.
I have also seen other members of the public, also in response to another appeal on social media, claiming to being certain they’ve seen and recognise her – one potentially in Mount Druitt (in Sydney’s Western Suburbs) and another potentially in Hornsby (in Sydney’s Upper North Shore).
Regarding the events surrounding her disappearance, I’ve seen one particular comment posted within the last few months on social media. One person has posted a quite disturbing allegation about her disappearance, suggesting that Rista was offered; and subsequently accepted; a lift to work by an individual who she supposedly knew very well. On this point – there has been no mention in any published reports, nor any public statement from NSW Police, at all regarding such line of information. My Opinion and Theories
In my previous post on Rista, I expressed my opinion and belief that she is alive – with my theory that she deliberately disappeared to start a new life interstate, possibly even using her true identity. Even now, I still hold that belief about her.
I do acknowledge though, that I could be wrong in my theory; and also acknowledge that many have the opinion that Rista did meet foul play and was murdered. I must admit, I can see how they have formed that perspective; especially based on what’s been reported and published about her.
I think the biggest challenge with Rista’s case is both the limited publicity and limited information in the public domain. I personally don’t believe her disappearance is as ‘cut and dry’ as it perhaps appears to be.
I am going to expand upon my opinion and theories on Rista – which is somewhat challenging for me, especially on some points which I’ll be delving into.
I believe Rista made a deliberate and conscious decision to disappear and ultimately leave behind both South-Western Sydney; and the vast majority of the people in her life up to that point. I think Rista was motivated by a myriad of reasons behind this.
I actually think Rista’s feelings and perceptions of her situation was quite complex; and perhaps too expansive to detail. However, I’ll attempt to summarise these factors, in two parts.
First part is Rista’s decision to leave home and to move in with her boyfriend. I do think Rista put some planning into this. Not wanting to cast aspersions on Rista – but I suspect she may have convinced her boyfriend and his family to let her move in, by possibly embellishing her family situation to them and leveraging their pity. I suspect the factors that led to this initial decision were:
- Her cultural background (her family identifying as Lao) – perhaps being in a very tight-knit minority community felt overbearing for her (Further reading on the Sydney Lao community and Lao culture: The Dictionary of Sydney; SBS Cultural Atlas).
- Her social life – trying to ‘fit in’ and gain acceptance with her peers.
- Family and home life – perhaps she felt stifled and constrained, especially if her parents were very protective of her. Also (to my understanding) being the eldest child/daughter within a Lao family – her additional duties/responsibilities (e.g. looking after her siblings) if any, may have played into this.
On the last point, I do have the genuine impression, aside from their protectiveness, that both of Rista’s parents are good and caring people, who dearly love their children. Regarding their views on her boyfriend – I suspect they did have concerns about her seeing him, although I don’t believe they outright disapproved of the relationship, nor sought to sabotage it.
On the point of her father, I’m inclined to believe he and Rista had been close; and she had adored him. I personally don’t think her father is, or was, in any way abusive. However, I do suspect the two did have a verbal row – most probably a stereotypical teenage situation that got overblown. Perhaps both said some things heatedly to each other, that neither really meant. However, I think Rista took this to heart, thus creating a rift.
The second part is Rista’s disappearance altogether from Liverpool. Again, I think Rista put some planning and co-ordination into this. I suspect she arranged for somewhere to go within Campbelltown short-term, whilst still planning her longer term move interstate. I suspect the following factors played into her deciding to disappear:
- Her romance with her boyfriend – I suspect, at least for Rista, the novelty of this began to wane after moving in with him.
- Living with her boyfriend’s family – not wishing to cast any aspersions on them, but the reality and dynamic of living with them may have eventually hit Rista hard.
- Attacks from detractors – although I suspect she was mostly well liked, I also suspect jealously from some quarters of her social group and peers – and possible rumours/innuendos about her family situation and living with her boyfriend may have been spread to undermine her.
- Regretting her actions and consequences – If indeed Rista did say some negative things about her family, the gravity of this may have hit her and began to feel bad about it.
- Her locality/environment – Rista grew up in what’s known as the Green Valley region, which includes the suburbs of Heckenberg and Mount Pritchard. The area has a high density of public housing; and sadly, a long history and reputation of crime and violence. Rista may have not felt she’d be safe, or have opportunities, staying in that area long term.
- Her mental wellbeing/emotions – I think all of above took a toll on her, all whilst still going through adolescence. I suspect Rista may have been suffering depression – I think she needed her own space; and felt the solution was to escape and leave.
Another potential factor I will address separately to the above points, is the allegation of her being offered a lift. I do acknowledge this plays into the theories of foul play – however, I’m actually not dismissive that there could be an element of truth to it.
Touching upon a rather dark subject – but the situation of sexual assault and abuse, or even the fear of it, can be a factor in young people running away. I do have concern that potentially, someone known to Rista was attempting to groom her – especially if they knew her situation at the time. My feeling is, this person is not a relative, nor her boyfriend or his relatives; but certainly an older male. If this is true, I do hope Rista (being as bright as I assume) did recognise this behaviour and managed to avoid this situation.
Onto her last confirmed sighting, I believe the anecdotal claims it was at Liverpool. I suspect it was routine for Rista and her boyfriend to visit Westfield Liverpool Shopping Centre after school. However, I also suspect Rista used this to stage her disappearance. I do think the argument did take place at Apex Park, one block away from Westfields – and was deliberately initiated by Rista, to enable her to break up with her boyfriend.
I will concede there have been aspersions about her boyfriend, with regards to her disappearance and his account of it. News articles on her case do not indicate any corroborating eyewitness accounts to support his account (although that’s not to say other people/witnesses were present); and comments by NSW Police about him (such as that “…he [had] been helpful…”
) frankly doesn’t cast him in a good light. However, my belief is he was not involved in her disappearance; and was perhaps distraught over this himself.
I also think her boyfriend’s family was fairly stable; and his parents also good people, with concerns for Rista too – even if their dynamic was different to her own family. I am inclined to believe his family were the first to report Rista missing, most likely by the following evening – after not showing up at school that day; and perhaps trying to find her via her other contacts, to no avail.
Returning to her disappearance, I suspect (out of sight of her now ex-boyfriend) that she did head to Liverpool Railway Station and travelled via train to Campbelltown that afternoon; and had arranged to stay with someone she knew and trusted. I cannot picture Rista living rough, if she could avoid it.
I think it’s the case that Rista did have a small number of friends outside of her main social circle in Liverpool. I suspect Rista did frequent other parts of Sydney, pursuing her noted interest in shopping, for one – but possible also she attended youth events (e.g. all ages gigs), where she may have met other people of her age. Potentially it might be someone from that circumstance. Again, as I theorised with her moving in with her boyfriend, she may have used her home situation narrative to convince this person and their family, to take her in.
I’m inclined to believe the two unconfirmed sightings within Campbelltown – at Campbelltown Railway Station by her friend; and at a shopping centre by her classmate. On the latter, my personal leaning it was at Macarthur Square Shopping Centre. I think the other possible sightings at Macarthur Square are plausible too.
I also suspect, as per my original post last year, Rista deliberately went off the grid during this period, to avoid being found by the Police or her family. I would not rule out Rista having some awareness of Police procedure on Missing Persons. Aside from methods of tracing (via her bank account or mobile phone); and assuming this policy was in place in 2009 (Source: NSW Police
), Rista being under 18 and possibly not considered ‘in danger’, Police might disclose her location to her parents, if she had been found.
I also don’t rule out Rista having a cash-in-hand income during this period, despite NSW Police stating she had no source of income. An issue that’s gained attention in Australia in recent times is wage theft – where businesses, including some major retailers, have paid employees; particularly casual staff; below award wage. Some businesses have also been accused of avoiding payroll tax and superannuation, by paying casual employees cash-in-hand; and off the books. It's plausible Rista might have worked under this situation, for an unscrupulous employer – possibly even a retailer in a major location like Macarthur Square; and it could have been undetectable.
Whilst not impossible, it would be difficult to remain off the grid forever. I can see it being plausible that she remained off the grid, until she reached the age of 18 – when she could legally gain some rights to privacy. As per my original post, I can see her also slipping through bureaucratic gaps – especially if she moved interstate, which I’m inclined to believe she did. Also, I think it’s plausible she is living under her true identity – I don’t dismiss she took; and has kept; her identity documents, particularly her Birth Certificate; and, if she already had one, her Passport, when she left home. However, I do feel she has maintained a low profile; and her privacy; by not having an overt social media presence, for example.
I’m inclined to believe the theory of her moving to Melbourne. I think it’s plausible she did tell her friend, during the alleged sighting/encounter at Campbelltown Railway Station – although it’s possible it was a deflection technique. A potential alternative for her would be Brisbane, however Melbourne I think would have been more suitable for her – as like Sydney (despite the two cities’ traditional rivalry), it is very multicultural and cosmopolitan.
I can also see she may have made arrangements again with someone she knew and trusted who lived in Melbourne (perhaps a friend who previously lived in Sydney) to live with them – if not, perhaps in an informal boarding house arrangement, as under 18’s can’t legally enter a rental agreement. For a teenage girl, this is fraught with danger. Hopefully she didn’t make arrangements with someone she met online – as per the “MySpace murder case” of fellow Australian girl Carly Ryan in 2007 (Source: Wikipedia
), for example.
I can picture Rista otherwise living a normal life – although perhaps her past actions do weigh on her. She might be reluctant to come forward, feeling she hurt her family badly and made things irreconcilable. However, I have no doubt her family want her back and with open arms.
But irrespective of whether Rista did run away at her own discretion, or was taken against her own will, I do feel NSW Police made mistakes in their initial handling of her case.
I’m inclined to believe the allegation that Police were slow in actioning her case, following her being reported missing in March 2009. My suspicions are, given she was apparently reported missing previously in about November 2008, that Police made an incorrect assumption she had become a serial runaway; and would turn up again within a short period. Firstly, I don’t believe Rista fitted the stereotypical profile of a serial runaway. Secondly, even if she was smart and did run away, she was still in a very vulnerable position – and needed support.
A third point, is NSW Police taking four months to make her case public. According to NSW Police (Source
), the next of kin of the Missing Person may need to sign an “Authority for Publicity”. Although Rista was living out of home, her parents still appear to be ‘next of kin’. Although her family appear to be private - judging by both their concern; and their willingness to be part of the 2010 Missing Persons Week campaign, I don’t believe they would have hesitated in granting permission to publicise her case in the media.
Although NSW Police have gotten much better now at putting out public appeals for Missing People in the media; and social media - they should have issued a public appeal immediately in March 2009, when Rista went missing. I have a personal belief if they had done so, Rista would have been located soon after. I find it incomprehendible, how there was seemingly little priority from Police, to find a missing 15 year old girl.
Hopefully this time, we will have answers on Rista’s case at some point. Despite no public update, it’s plausible her Strike Force at NSW Police Unsolved Homicide have uncovered new info – possibly even now having an idea of where Rista is. I don’t dismiss that the COVID-19 restrictions have affected the progress of the investigation, even that aspect of closing it out. NSW Police have had success in the past 12 months (particularly their Missing Persons Registry division), having actually managed to locate quite a few living Long Term Missing People.
But whatever it may be, I hope that Rista’s family finally get some answers and closure – and I still hold hope for them that they’ll be reunited with her.
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2020.07.27 12:45 Str8Outta2750 So what really happened? The Disappearance and Suspected Murder of Quanne Diec (Sydney, New South Wales, Australia - 27 July 1998)
Today (27 July 2020), on what marks the 22nd Anniversary of her disappearance - I've decided to post this case which, as a young person, got me interested in Missing Persons Cases in the first place. The case I refer to, is the disappearance; and suspected murder; of Quanne Diec
- whom disappeared on her way to school, from the Western Sydney suburb of Granville, on the morning of 27 July 1998; aged just 12 years old.
Quanne (pronounced “Queenie”) has managed to remain in the consciousness of many Sydneysiders (and perhaps many Australians) over these past two decades. Her disappearance was headline news in Sydney at the time – with the New South Wales Police putting out a strong appeal to the public for her whereabouts. Quanne, to this day, has never been located – and is suspected as having been abducted and murdered.
The case remained cold for years – until November 2016, when a suspect, Vinzent Tarantino, walked into Surry Hills Police Station in Sydney to confess to Quanne’s abduction and murder. Tarantino (born Victor David Gerada), a person with a documented history of mental health issues, then recanted his confession, pleading Not Guilty and stood trial for charges relating to Quanne’s disappearance and homicide. He was acquitted by Jury on 6 November 2017 on all charges presented. Understandably, a controversial situation all round – and one which sadly brings Quanne’s case back to square one. So, what really did happen to Quanne? Background and Case Outline
Quanne Diec was born in Sydney on 12 May 1986 (her Date of Birth has also been published as 12 July 1986), to Vietnamese refugee parents – Sam Nguyen Diec and A Muoi "Ann" Ngo, both of whom are of ethnic Cantonese Chinese-Vietnamese background, arriving to Australia in 1978; and had two older siblings - her brother Sunny; and her sister Tina.
The family lived in a single story dwelling, in Western Sydney suburb of Granville - which was a very working class suburb; and had been traditionally a predominately Anglo-Australian in its population; although it began to be characterised by a very strong Lebanese-Australian community (established mainly by refugees from the Lebanese Civil War) from the 1980's onwards. The suburb's refugee population is a result of it being not far away from what was the Villawood Migrant Centre (which since has become the Villawood Immigration Detention Centre). Her father owned and ran a small mixed-business (i.e. a convenience store) in the South-Western Sydney suburb of Casula.
Quanne had started high school at the start of 1998; enrolling at Strathfield Girls High School, located in the Inner-Western Sydney suburb of Strathfield, about 10 kilometres (6 miles) away from her home. During Term 1 of high school, she was driven to school every morning by her father. However, Quanne; beginning to seek her own independence; started insisting that she be allowed to travel to school herself, via train. Although both of her parents had concerns about this, they relented - allowing Quanne to walk by herself to Clyde Railway Station, then catch the train to Strathfield for school, from the start of Term 2 (Source: MamaMia via MSN
Monday, 27th July 1998 started off in the Diec household as any Monday did. It was raining that morning; and was early into Term 3 of high school for Quanne. She got into her school uniform, packed her lunch, said goodbye to her sister Tina (who was still in bed), then her mother Ann leading her to the front door to see her off – Quanne then headed off, waving to her mother, whom watched until her daughter disappeared out of sight as she entered Factory Street (Source: SMH
Quanne got as far as the Australia Post International Mail Centre (now known as the Australia Post Sydney Gateway Facility) – which is (according to Google Maps) about 350 metres (approx. 380 yards) from her home; and about 550 metres (approx. 600 yards) away from Clyde Railway Station. She was captured by one of the Mail Centre’s CCTV camera at approx. 7.43 am, walking up Factory Street. The same CCTV camera captured about eight seconds later, what NSW Police described as a “shadowy figure” whom appeared to be following Quanne. However, another CCTV camera located at the other end (Northern side) of the Mail Centre captured no image of Quanne – indicating she disappeared between these two points along Factory Street; and failed to make it to Clyde Railway Station (Source: SMH
As her parents had assumed she made it to school; and conversely her school assumed her absence was due to illness – the alarm was not raised about her disappearance until that afternoon, when she failed to return home from school. Quanne was reported as Missing to Granville Police Station by her parents that evening, at around 5.00 pm.
NSW Police were prompt in putting out a public appeal for Quanne, with all mainstream media outlets within metropolitan Sydney covering Quanne’s disappearance as headline news. In the immediate days following, the NSW Police also set up a mannequin at Clyde Railway Station, dressed as Quanne at the time of her disappearance (wearing her Strathfield Girls High School uniform); and handing out flyers containing Quanne’s photo to rail commuters. Soon after, the NSW Police formed Strike Force Lyndey, to specifically investigate Quanne’s case.
Quanne’s case deeply resonated with the Sydney public; with the media continuing their interest and coverage of her case in the weeks and months following. The profile of her case reached such a point, it resulted in the highly unusual move of the then incumbent Premier of New South Wales
, Bob Carr
, announcing a an increase to the reward for information on her case, from $AUD100,000 to $AUD200,000 (normally, announcements regarding rewards are done by the senior hierarchy within NSW Police).
Publicly, it appeared that no promising leads regarding Quanne’s disappearance were forthcoming. However, an anonymous male caller phone the NSW Crime Stoppers Hotline, who gave information suggesting that the Police search the Duck River, which runs between Granville (on its western bank) and Auburn (on the east). (Source – via Tapatalk
. Note – articles originally published by Australian Associated Press (AAP))
It should be noted there are two tributaries in the area named Duck – there is Duck Creek, which is largely channelised – but starts in the suburb of Guildford, flowing due North-East through to Granville, then into the Duck River at Clyde. The Duck River itself starts off from a series of drains in the suburb of Yagoona, flowing due north through or past the suburbs of Birrong, Sefton, Chester Hill, Auburn, South Granville, Granville, Clyde, Rosehill; and eventually into the Parramatta River at Silverwater.
However, it was the Duck River which became the focus of the investigation. On January 12 and 13 of 1999, the NSW Police, along with volunteers from the NSW State Emergency Service (SES), drained a 300 metre (approx. 330 yard) section of the Duck River around the South Granville and Auburn area – about 1.5 kilometres (or nearly a mile) south of the Diec family home. No human remains were found; and the items that were recovered from the river bed – as set of vehicle registration plates, a crowbar and items of clothing, were eventually ruled out as being connected to Quanne’s disappearance.
After the NSW Police concluded their search of the Duck River, the anonymous male caller again contacted the NSW Crime Stoppers Hotline, this time claiming the area which the Police covered in their search wasn’t the right area; and that they had missed vital clues. The NSW Police put out a public appeal in early February 1999 to the anonymous caller to contact them again – believing this person was connected to the case; and had further and vital information. However, it appears this person made no further contact; and no further searches of the Duck River were conducted.
Another lead in the investigation was the vehicle possibly involved in Quanne’s abduction. Some of the information which NSW Police released at the time, appears a little confusing. However one witness, a woman, reported to Police seeing a girl getting into a “Transit-type van” (presumably a large European bonneted van, such as a Ford Transit
). NSW Police went as far as conducting hypnosis on this witness, in an attempt to jog her memory for further information – but to no avail.
It should be noted also, that Australia Post were using Ford Transit vans within their fleet at the time of Quanne’s disappearance – although these vehicles were generally painted red with Australia Post signwriting.
There was information from a witness, of a van seen in the area that morning, with a registration number starting with either “PAO” or “PAQ”. Police put forward an appeal for the owner of the van to come forward. Eventually, investigators did track down that vehicle – a Mitsubishi Express
van, with the NSW Registration Number PAQ-205, belonging to a Communications Equipment company called Benelec (Images of Vehicle - Sources: Nine News
). The vehicle was distinctive, in that it had prominent signwriting. However, their employee and driver of that vehicle – Victor Gerada, became a person of interest in this case.
Victor had grown up at Second Street, Granville – just off Factory Street and near where Quanne was last seen. Although he had moved from that address, his father Godwin was still living there; and he was still a frequent visitor. Prior to his employment with Benelec, he had been a nightclub bouncer – having worked at various venues, including within Sydney’s notorious red-light district of Kings Cross.
It has been reported, allegedly unbeknownst to the officers on Strike Force Lyndey at that point, that Victor Gerada was also concurrently under the witness protection program. Gerada, in his employment as a bouncer, had witnessed the gruesome aftermath of the notorious Blackmarket Café/Hellfire Club bikie murders, in the Inner-City suburb of Chippendale on 9 November 1997 (note – “bikie” being an Australian colloquial term for a “one percent” or outlaw biker). This crime can be read about further here
– but in short, it was a dispute between the Bandidos and Rebels Motorcycle Clubs – resulting in the deaths of three Bandidos, in the basement of the Blackmarket Café Nightclub. Ultimately, Gerada was never called up to testify on the stand as a witness (Source: Daily Telegraph
However, reports suggest that Gerada began living a very transient life from this point onwards; which also spiralled out of control due to his Post Traumatic Stress and deteriorating mental health. Possibly due to these reasons, it appears the investigation’s focus on Gerada – who would later legally change his name to Vinzent Tarantino (a homage to Hollywood director, Quentin Tarantino; and the character Vincent Vega from Tarantino’s film Pulp Fiction
) – eventually waned.
Another potential sighting of the suspect vehicle (along potentially with the suspects), is by Quanne’s father. Sam Diec testified on the stand at Vinzent Tarantino’s trial (via the aid of a Cantonese interpreter) that he saw a white van, with two men inside, in their street that morning – which he felt was unusual, as their street was a dead end. He also stated that the van was “running very slowly and the driver was staring at me”, to which he felt “very strange” (Sources: SMH
, 7 News via YouTube
There was another person of interest, during the investigation, whom also allegedly drove a white van. The individual – whom is unnamed in media reports; and is now deceased – was a male employee of the Australia Post International Mail Centre; and was a Vietnam Veteran. This person was also brought to attention during Vinzent Tarantino’s trial – with both the Prosecution and Defence respectively making statements regarding him.
It was reported the Crown Prosecutor at the trial, Pat Barrett, had informed the jury regarding this person of interest, including alleged accounts by his former co-workers, that he reportedly made “revolting racist and sexist” remarks; and was described as being a “beast” and “smelly”. However, the Prosecution also stated about this POI, with regards to Quanne’s disappearance, that it was the “extent of anything implicating him in any way
”. However, Tarantino’s barrister, Belinda Rigg SC, countered and argued there was “a reasonable possibility
” that this individual was involved in Quanne’s disappearance.
Many shocking allegations and aspersions regarding this individual, arose during the course of Tarantino’s trial and reported in the media. This included accounts that he expressed a hatred towards Asians; and also openly expressed very lewd and deviant sexual views. On the latter, it’s alleged he stated having an interest in young girls and having “deviant views” on Asian women. It’s also alleged that he bragged about having sex with young Asian girls; and most disturbingly, openly discussed about what sexual acts/fantasies he wanted to perform upon girls aged between 10 to 12 years old (Sources: SMH here
, News.com.au here
It’s alleged this individual took leave from work, just after Quanne’s disappearance. Although there appears to be no published reports confirming this, it implies this person was working on the day of her disappearance. There are no other published reports or public statements regarding this individual being discounted as a person of interest in Quanne’s case.
There is also the account of a witness, named Romain Maas – who’s evidence was highlighted by the Defence during Tarantino’s trail. According to Mr Maas, he saw on the morning of Quanne’s disappearance - a man he described as “Lebanese-looking
” leading an Asian girl across the road, whilst gripping her wrist. He claims to have been outside when he heard a shout or yell; and then heard the girl say “Help me
” – the man who was with her then said “she’s my girlfriend
”; with Mr Maas then deciding not to get involved (Source: SMH
With regards to the original investigation, although Quanne’s case did remain in the consciousness of the Sydney public and continued to receive sporadic media attention, it appeared to have hit a brick wall and had gone cold. For 18 years, Quanne’s family had held hope that she was still alive and would eventually return home one day. They refused to move from their Granville home for this reason; and as practicing Buddhists, continued to pray for her return. Sam Diec even went as far as travelling to other parts of the country in the search for his daughter, following information of alleged sightings. That hope eventually came crashing down for the Diec family, when what appeared to be a major development happened. The Confession, Arrest and Trial of Vinzent Tarantino
On Sunday, 20 November 2016, at around 3.40 pm in the afternoon, a man walked into Surry Hills Police Station – not far from the Sydney CBD. He presented himself, telling the officer on duty “I need to hand myself in for a homicide… it’s all been building up for me and it’s too much
”. He was taken in by detectives, whom proceeded to conduct a formal interview – which took place just after 8.00 pm that evening.
This man would eventually declare during the interview, that he had abducted and killed Quanne Diec on 27 July 1998, claiming his motivation was: “… I was in a lot of debt and I had this stupid idea of ransom
…”. He further elaborated: “It was a stupid ransom attempt and it went wrong and I just want to resolve it for the family and try and bring the girl home for her family… I was going to let her go and I just panicked
". He claimed that he’d taken Quanne, whilst she was walking to Clyde Railway Station; and had strangled her – then had taken and buried her body in bushland to the south of Sydney (Source: ABC
That man was Vinzent Tarantino (formerly Victor Gerada) – as mentioned above in the Background and Case Outline
, had been a person of interest in the original investigation by Strike Force Lyndey. As previously mentioned, Tarantino’s mental health had deteriorated in the intervening years. He was still extremely paranoid that the Rebels Motorcycle Club were still out to get him, - as retribution for speaking to Police following the Blackmarket Café murders. He had changed his name, but also had moved addresses on several occasions due to these fears – and went to extreme lengths to conceal and distance himself from his past. His paranoia of the Rebels was still very strong, even at the time of his confession – stating to Police during his interview: “…now my partner’s been threatened with gang raping; and my father and brothers have been threatened to be killed in a contract killing
” (Source: ABC
However, Tarantino also experienced a number of mental breakdowns and psychotic episodes over the years; including violent outbursts and attempts of self harm and suicide. Some of these incidents also involved Police intervention, which resulted in violent confrontations. One such incident, Tarantino reportedly threw a Molotov cocktail at Police officers; and sprayed another officer with petrol (gasoline). He also reportedly had a violent alteration in 2006 with his then partner – after she found out he hadn’t disclosed the truth about his past to her (Source: SMH
Even during presenting himself at Surry Hills Police Station, his mental health was still a topic. He was found to be carrying a 35 centimetre (13.78 inch) kitchen knife when he presented; which was apparently a pattern of Tarantino’s behaviour from his previous breakdowns. Tarantino was also charged with carrying an offensive weapon, in relation to the knife – which was dealt with separately to the charges he would face relating to Quanne; and which he plead Gulity to and received a conviction for (Source: Nine News via MSN
Also whilst at the Police Station, one of Tarantino’s brothers called his mobile phone – his brother spoke to officers, warning them: "[he] has psychological issues and I'm worried about him
Tarantino’s mental health and his paranoia of the Rebels, would be continuing themes throughout his legal proceedings.
Following the interview, Tarantino was informed by Detective Sergeant Wayne Plumeridge (the custody manager on duty at Surry Hills Police Station) that he was under arrest – Tarantino responded that he understood his arrest; and also allegedly stated “I’m a grub, I don’t deserve a trial
”. Police proceeded to charge Tarantino in relation to the abduction (specifically – “detain for advantage”) and murder of Quanne; and was remanded in custody (Sources: SMH: here
The following day (Monday, 21 November 2016), Tarantino faced Central Local Court in Sydney for a preliminary hearing. He did not apply for bail – and was formally refused bail. However, during proceedings, Tarantino made a remark in court, against his own solicitor’s advice: "I believe my brother … and my partner … have been murdered in retaliation for what I've done
" – a statement which was untrue (Sources: News.com.au
On that same day – NSW Police also conducted a forensic search of his father’s home in Second Street, Granville. Police also conducted a Press Conference, conducted by Superintendent Scott Whyte of the Rosehill Local Area Command. At this conference, Supt. Whyte stated that Tarantino had been a person of interest in this case; and also alleged that Tarantino told detectives information “…that only the murderer would know
On Wednesday, 23 November 2016 – Police took Tarantino, under guard, to a location he claimed to have buried Quanne. Tarantino had told detectives he had taken Quanne’s body to bushland, just off Appin Road in Bulli Tops – south of Sydney and just north of the regional city of Wollongong. He stated that he took Quanne’s body – initially leaving it in bushland a short distance from the road, but then returned, placing it into and moving it with a wheelie bin; and along with a shovel, a machete and a glass covered candle; found and buried it in a spot. Tarantino lead detectives on the search, which was filmed by Police – however, he seemed somewhat confused and disoriented of the location. After five and a half hours of searching, no remains or other evidence was located (Sources: Daily Telegraph
, SMH here
The NSW Police later conducted a second search for Quanne the following year – starting on 31 July 2017, over a three day period – in bushland within the district of Cataract, a neighbouring locality to Bulli Tops. Sam Diec was present at this search for his daughter; however again, Police were unsuccessful in locating any remains or evidence (Sources: ABC
, Nine News
A second formal interview was conducted by Police with Vinzent Tarantino on 28 November 2016, in which detectives attempted to obtain more specific details about the crime. It appears further clarification wasn’t forthcoming during this interview, however Tarantino did express that he felt terrible about what had happened (Sources: ABC
Tarantino remained under custody, in remand – his committal hearing not commencing until early March 2018. However, Tarantino’s position changed during this period – he had recanted his confession and was now denying he had abducted and murdered Quanne. He would enter a plea of Not Guilty. His committal hearing (set down for five days), was conducted within the first week of March 2018 at Parramatta Local Court. Evidence was tendered by the Crown Prosecution – along with calling witnesses. A trial was set down, following the committal hearing – but it was another 18 month wait (Source: Nine News
The trail commenced on 9 September 2019, in the NSW Supreme Court, with Tarantino pleading Not Guilty. The trail would last for two months. The Crown Prosecution’s case was that Tarantino had abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered Quanne; and that he confessed this crime to two ex-partners, a former friend; and to his own brother. The Defence argued that Tarantino did not abduct and murder Quanne and had made a false confession – motivated by his psychotic state and his belief the Rebels Motorcycle Club were still after him, believed he would be safer being in custody (Source: 7 News
Tarantino and his Defence did agree that he was present in the area, on the morning of Quanne’s disappearance – and did pick up a female from Factory Street in his work van. However, the Defence claims that female, whom Tarantino allegedly picked up, was an adult sex worker, whom went by the alias of “Dee” (Source: SMH
). However, no-one (Police, Prosecution or Defence) could not locate this alleged sex worker, to obtain a statement or call as a witness (Source: SMH
). The Defence also argued there was “a reasonable possibility
” that another person of interest, the Mail Centre worker (as outlined in the Background and Case Outline
section above) was responsible for Quanne’s disappearance and murder.
Several witnesses were called up in the trail. All immediate members of Quanne’s family gave evidence on the stand – her parents Sam Diec and Ann Ngo, both of whom utilised the assistance of a Cantonese translator, along with her brother Sonny Diec and her sister Dr Tina Diec. Notably, Sam gave his eyewitness account of seeing a white van with two men in it, driving suspiciously in their street (as outlined in the Background and Case Outline
The Prosecution also called witnesses, in regards to Tarantino’s alleged confessions. One was his ex-girlfriend, Laila Faily. Ms Faily testified that Tarantino confessed to her that he’d taken Quanne and ended up killing her, because “…she was making too much noise
”. She also testified that she accompanied Tarantino on a drive to a National Park, in his van (stating that it had a “strange smell
”) – and that he stopped the van and removed a wheelie bin from the back. Ms Faily also stated that Tarantino told her he had a fetish for “girls in school uniform
” and asked her during sex “do you want me to do what I did to her?
” (Sources: Nine News via MSN
Tarantino’s barrister sort to discredit this witness, arguing inconsistencies in her previous statements. Also, Tarantino denied and took offense to Ms Faily’s evidence that suggested he had raped Quanne Diec, stating it was the “worst fabrication” (Source: News.com.au
). Tarantino also now claimed the contents of the wheelie bin did not contain a body, but instead contained firearms, along with cocaine stored within a Tupperware container (Source: SMH
Another witness was a former friend, Geoff Maurer – whom testified that Tarantino confessed to “taking an Asian girl”, but things went wrong and Tarantino, in his words, had “cancelled her out
” (Source: MamaMia via MSN
Evidence was tendered by the Prosecution, that Tarantino admitted years later to another ex-girlfriend, that he killed Quanne during a botched ransom bid (Source: MamaMia via MSN
The Prosecution also tendered evidence, of a recorded phone conversation that Vinzent had with his brother, Allan Gerada – alleging he said: “I killed a kid Allan, I’m fucked
” (Source: SMH
However, Tarantino’s Defence contested that these confessions were “false”, which he made up in the belief he needed to do so protect his and his loved one’s lives (Source: MamaMia via MSN
His barrister, Belinda Rigg SC, conceded that her client’s “world” was different to her own, and that although he was firmly of the view he “did not” have a mental illness, the jury could possibly conclude he was psychotic at the time of his confession – and advised the jury “You are required to consider another man’s mind
” (Sources: SMH
, Canberra Times
Two forensic psychiatrists – Dr Andrew Ellis and Dr Adam Martin; and a clinical and forensic psychologist – Dr Katie Seidler, were called upon to give evidence regarding Vinzent Tarantino’s mental state. All agreed that he had likely suffered a mental illness for some time.
Dr Ellis tendered that Tarantino was most likely suffering a psychosis, at the time of his confession; and suggested a likely diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder. Dr Martin also tendered that Tarantino most like had either schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia. Dr Seidler tendered that Tarantino became embroiled in a delusional thought system; and had struggled with “…a psychotic condition for almost two decades
”. Dr Martin however conceded that neither he, nor Dr Ellis or Dr Seidler, had the opportunity to examine Tarantino before writing their reports, quipping “It’s all a bit speculative
” (Sources: SMH
Tarantino’s mental health state was also punctuated by his courtroom behaviour – frequently interjecting and making outbursts during proceedings. The presiding Judge, Justice Robert Beech-Jones warning Tarantino on his second day of evidence, after the jury left the courtroom – to “keep acting like that
” if he wanted to convict himself and stating “I understand your outburst… This is not the place of outbursts
” (Source: SMH
The jury retired for deliberations on 29 October 2019 – with Justice Robert Beech-Jones discharging one juror; with the remaining 11 person jury proceeding to consider their verdict (Source: 7 News
The jury returned on 6 November 2019 – delivering the verdict of Not Guilty on all charges relating to Quanne’s abduction and murder. Vinzent Tarantino was immediately released from custody by the Judge.
Tarantino made comments to the awaiting media outside of court, including criticisms of the media’s investigative journalism and not meeting their obligations to ‘seek the truth’ – but also made the comment to the media to “get their chequebooks ready
”. He also accused the Police of ‘changing evidence’ in the case, which he claimed to have ‘proof’ of. Tarantino also made the allegation, regarding his role in the search at Bulli Tops: “Because I had a gun pointed at me in the back of the Correctional Services van. That happened
” (Sources: SMH
, Sky News via YouTube
The Diec family were absolutely devastated by the verdict. The family held a press conference outside Granville Police Station. Quanne’s cousin, Christine Woo, broke down while delivering a statement on behalf of the family – the full video from 7 News (via YouTube) can be seen here
. My Opinion and Theories
Obviously, it is very sad and destressing that after 22 years, there is still no answer on what happened to Quanne. Her family – and especially her parents, Sam and Ann – have and still carry a lot of pain after all this time. At this point, it appears the investigation is at a dead end; and it’s difficult to see whether that answer will ever be found.
Firstly, my opinion is that Quanne was indeed abducted from Factory Street at Granville – outside of the Australia Post International Mail Centre; and forced into a van against her will. I also believe there was a sexual motivation to this crime – and sadly I believe that Quanne was unfortunately sexually assaulted before being murdered.
As to who actually did it – from my perspective, there does appear to be more than one person of interest in this case.
Keeping this short and sweet, I do not believe Vinzent Tarantino (owing to his mental health) or the Mail Centre worker (whom I suspect was actually inside the Mail Centre at the time) were responsible for Quanne's disappearance.
My opinion is, the two witnessed by Quanne’s father, Sam Diec driving suspiciously in a white van along Seventh Street, are the prime suspects. I’m also inclined to believe the eyewitness statement of Romain Maas too. As troubling as Mr Maas’ reaction to the events he encountered might be, the man he described as seeing – I’m inclined to believe was the passenger of the van that Mr Diec had earlier seen.
I’m inclined to believe these two men were local to the Granville area, or if not – had familiarity with it. I also suspect that Quanne may have been stalked in the days or weeks leading into her disappearance.
Regarding the location of her remains – and returning to that anonymous caller to Crime Stoppers, who gave the Duck River tip off - I’m inclined to believe the information that they gave maybe true. I don’t believe the caller is either one of those two men – although I do suspect the caller could be either a close friend, or a relation to one of, if not, both of the men.
Looking at Google Maps (here
) and Street View, along with historical aerial images from the NSW Government’s Spatial Information Exchange (SIX) Viewer website
(aerial image from 1998, here
) – I think it's highly plausible that Quanne was disposed of in the vicinity of the Duck River, although my leaning is towards the parklands along the South Granville (western) side of the river, around the vicinity of Mackay Road, due to their relative seclusion – compared to the Auburn (eastern) side of the river. Perhaps Police were just slightly off looking in the right spot?
Alternatively, another possible location is a significant bushland reserve south of this locality, on the soutside of Wellington Road, to the west of Auburn Golf Course.
We can only hope however, that someone can be forthcoming with new information to the Police, that can not only identify and bring the true culprits to justice; but also finally locate Quanne. I hope she finally receives the proper and dignified farewell that she deserves; and that her family can finally have some peace.
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2020.07.17 01:19 skeeter1980 Australia has been holding secret talks with senior Wallabies about going for gold at next year’s Tokyo Olympics after the global pandemic has created a loophole that will change the way players are selected for the squad
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/wallabies-stars-in-contention-for-australian-sevens-team-at-tokyo-olympics-super-rugby-clubs-eye-pumas/news-story/b55d6c765177611bd3f2932896fd3b3b Australia has been holding secret talks with senior Wallabies about going for gold at next year’s Tokyo Olympics after the global pandemic has created a loophole that will change the way players are selected for the squad.
Rugby Confidential can reveal that World Cup vice-captain Samu Kerevi and Bernard Foley have indicated they want to play in the Olympic Sevens tournament and team officials have begun casting their net even further.
After all the gloomy news the game has gone through in the past few years, it’s understood that no one will be off-limits if it can help Australia strike gold in the world’s biggest multi-sport event.
The once-in-a-lifetime carrot is being dangled in front of superstars including Wallaby captain Michael Hooper and John Eales medallist Marika Koroibete because COVID-19 has changed everything.
Normally, players have to commit to the World Sevens Series to be considered for selection, which rules them out of playing Super Rugby.
But with the 2020-21 sevens series now almost certain to be cancelled, and ongoing uncertainty how Super Rugby will look next year, everyone is potentially available for selection.
Although Wallabies would need permission from Dave Rennie to go to the Olympics, the dates could hardly be better for Australia’s players, with the men’s competition running over just three days in the last week of July.
That may mean players miss a week of France’s 2021 winter tour of Australia but it will avoid clashing with The Rugby Championship, which will start in late August after the British and Irish Lions complete their tour of South Africa.
Kerevi and Foley — both based in Japan — are just the first expected to put their hand up.
Kerevi is currently unavailable to play for the Wallabies because he hasn’t played enough Tests to qualify under the existing Giteau Law but is desperate to represent his country again.
It is understood that Foley — who won a silver medal at the Commonwealth Games — was even offered a full-time contract to rejoin the Sevens squad after last year’s World Cup. He turned it down but said he would be available for the Olympics.
WALSH IN HIGH DEMAND
Australia’s men’s sevens coach Tim Walsh has been given a new role out of left-field.
Netball Australia has invited him onto a high performance panel to select the new coach of the Diamonds. Walsh hasn’t coached netball but after leading the Australian women’s sevens team to a historic gold in Rio, he remains in high demand for other sports wanting to pick his brains on the keys to success.
SUPER CLUBS TRACK PUMAS
The NSW Waratahs and Melbourne Rebels have already begun contacting Argentinian player agents about signing Pumas stars for next year’s Super Rugby tournament — whatever it may look like.
Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan flagged the possibility of local franchises recruiting from Argentina, South Africa and the northern hemisphere to bolster their stocks for 2021, and the Tahs and Rebels have wasted little time making inquiries.
The tone of conversation around a trans-Tasman tournament for next year has changed markedly in the past 10 days, with New Zealand bullish about their demands.
RA won’t be dictated to and if pushed, will form their own domestic tournament without the Kiwis for next season.
Meanwhile, the Rebels will continue to be based out of Canberra for the foreseeable future, as training grounds in Sydney are difficult to come by amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
AFL and NRL clubs have taken over many of the best training facilities in Sydney.
NEW DEAL ON HORIZON
Despite a contract freeze in place within RA given the uncertain broadcasting future, the Queensland Reds are set to hand 22-year-old centre Hunter Paisami an extension soon.
SHUTE SHIELD BACK WITH A BANG
The 2020 Shute Shield kicks off this weekend, featuring the return of the Penrith Emus and the introduction of the Newcastle Wildfires.
The oldest premier rugby competition features the grand final rematch of the past two years — Warringah vs Sydney University — as its match of the round at Rat Park. The game will be televised nationally on 7TWO and 7Plus, with a new-look commentary team headed by Tony Lewis.
Former Fox Sports presenters Sean Maloney and Louise Ransome will join Lewis, along with former Shute Shield champion and Scotland international Daniel Parks, and Olympic Sevens gold medallist Shannon Parry.
SHUTE SHIELD 2020 — ROUND ONE
Gordon v Eastern Suburbs
Southern Districts v Eastwood
Manly v Two Blues
West Harbour v Northern Suburbs
Randwick v Newcastle
Warringah v Sydney University
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2020.07.16 03:16 drnicko18 NSW records 6 new local cases and 4 new overseas cases
New cases reported in the last 24 hours:
- 3 new cases associated with the Crossroads Hotel cluster.
- A man in his 20's, spent time with a known case
- A woman in her 30's is the spouse of a previously reported case
- A man in his 30's acquired their infection at Planet Fitness
- 3 new cases are under investigation
- A female in her 40's from Western Sydney
- A female in her 40's from South Western Sydney
- A man in his 30's from the Wollongong area
- 4 new cases detected in returned travellers in hotel quarantine.
Since 8pm last night, an additional 4 cases have been reported linked to the hotel cluster
- a child of a previously known case
- a man in his 30s who is a contact of a previously known case
- a man in his 80's who attended Crossroads Hotel on 5 July
- a woman in her late teens who attend Hurricane Grill with a previously known case
Another case flew in from Melbourne and arrived at Ballina on the 12th July, wore a surgical mask on flight JQ466. The individual was screened at Ballina airport and was undergoing mandatory 14 day quarantine whilst in Ballina.
These additional 5 cases will be updated in tomorrows numbers.
LOCALLY ACQUIRED CASES & CLUSTERS IN THE LAST 14 DAYS:
| ||Last 24 hours ||TOTAL |
|Confirmed cases ||+10 ||3,338 |
|Active ||+10 ||488 |
|Active (NSW Gov)* ||+6 ||50 |
|Recovered ||+0 ||2,799 |
|Deaths ||+0 ||51 |
|Tests conducted ||+22,838 ||1,102,999 |
|Hospital || ||2 |
|ICU ||+0 ||1 |
|Ventilated ||+0 ||0 |
)NSWGov records active cases as locally acquired COVID-19 cases with onset in the last 4 weeks. Overseas acquired cases in quarantine hotels are not counted. SOURCES OF CONFIRMED CASES:
| ||Last 24 hours ||This week ||TOTAL |
|Locally - Known ||+3 ||+36 ||920 |
|Locally - Unknown ||+3 ||0 ||363 |
|Interstate ||- ||+4 ||73 |
|Overseas ||+4 ||+50 ||1,983 |
|Under investigation ||- ||- ||- |
Crossroads Hotel superspreader [News] [SMH] [News] [Nine] [Tele] [Nine] [7News] [ABC]
Community transmission continues to grow [SMH] [News] [7News] [SBS] [Nine]
Politicians argue against elimination strategy [Chris Bowen] [Scott Morrison] [Palaszczuk]
Grandarents and siblings banned from community sports effective immediately [2GB] [Nine]
QLD builds wall to keep NSW residents out [Nine]
Allergy sufferers should be tested for COVID-19 [ABC]
Crossroads outbreak should not mean tougher restrictions for truckies: PM. [7News]
Vaccine developments are 'very encouraging': Deputy CMO [Nine]
NRL players and staff from Liverpool, Campbelltown sent for testing [SMH] [ABC] [Twitter]
NSW Health concerned about three mystery cases [ABC] [News]
COVID-19 case flew from Melbourne to Ballina [9News]
Scott Morrison announces JobtTrainer support program [Nine]
Jobless rate at 22 year high [SMH]
Health Ministers warning to young people [2GB]
Rashay's, North Wollongong [7News]
Bavarian Cafe and Go-Karting businesses in Milperra [7News]
Hurricane's Grill Brighton-Le-Sands [7News]
Magpie Sports Club, Croydon Park [7News]
Meat Perfection Butcher, Milperra [7News]
Frankie's Food Factory, Milperra [Nine] [7News]
Every Sydney venue hit by coronavirus [7News] [News]
Why pubs are coronavirus hotspots [ABC]
Slow recovery predicted for public transport [SMH]
Ruby Princess: NSW Health made 'serious mistakes' [Guardian] [Tele]
NSW Government will consider further restrictions on 'high risk' activities [SMH]
How Public Health officials map coronavirus spread [SMH]
Coronacast, 16th July [ABC]
was busy this morning, so i've updated the post for today.
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2020.05.23 11:35 imtryingtotryhere Article Discussion - Why Do Smart Men Date Less Intelligent Women?
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2020.04.14 12:00 C19NewsBot Coronavirus Australia News Updates (14 April)
This daily news summary was automatically generated using News API data from Australian news sources. If you have feedback, please send a modmail to /CoronavirusAustralia.
- Australia coronavirus live news: Morrison urges Australians to 'keep our sense of realism' about coronavirus – latest updates (The Guardian)
- Only one new local case of COVID-19 in WA (Armidale Express)
- Progress made but Nine yet to commit to NRL's May return from COVID-19 suspension (Wide World of Sports)
- Coronavirus testing in Victoria has been expanded. So do you need a test? (ABC News)
- Morrison chides WHO as wet markets reopen in China's coronavirus epicentre (SBS News)
- WHO urges countries to shut down 'dangerous' wet markets, COVID-19 envoy says (The Age)
- Smoking increases your coronavirus risk. There's never been a better time to quit (The Conversation AU)
- Qantas passenger shares photo of packed plane en route to Brisbane 2133186 (Daily Mail)
- 'Illegal dinner party' not the cause of Tasmania Covid-19 cluster, chief medical officer clarifies (The Guardian)
- 'We don't have a king': Trump, governors in epic power struggle (Sydney Morning Herald)
- Pink's husband Corey Hart reveals her 'intense' coronavirus illness (NEWS.com.au)
- Thirty people have recovered from Coronavirus across the Western NSW Local Health District (Central Western Daily)
- This could be the end of the line for cruise ships (The Conversation AU)
- Four new COVID-19 deaths in New Zealand (NEWS.com.au)
- WHO urges caution over return to normality (NEWS.com.au)
- India, Pakistan plan to restart some economic activity... (Daily Mail)
- Details emerge about when Australia's coronavirus lockdown will end (Daily Mail)
- Aged care staffer worked for six days with COVID-19 symptoms (Daily Telegraph)
- Scientists' worrying coronavirus discovery (Daily Mercury)
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2019.04.23 01:42 JustMyImagination18 Accidental Confessions? (like those of Milat, Wayne Williams, & Sebastian Burns)
A variation on a theme, but totally different from my other thread regarding Confessions
1) Milat's gloves
Over the weekend the latest Casefile episode released. It's one of the few productions I've heard to cover some of the granular courtroom fuss during the criminal prosecution of Ivan Milat, whose testimony on the witness stand is just stonewalling until...
The prosecutor asks whether Milat wore gloves on the date(s) of in question in order to avoid leaving fingerprints behind at the scene in the woods.
Milat begins to respond automatically: "I wore no..." before catching himself (as the courtroom gasps). He finishes his thought with "I never seen the glove before." https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/the-prosecutors-question-that-was-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-serial-killer-ivan-milat/news-story/0cdc7bf3ae93319ab26d14bc732cc34b
The prosecutor asks him why he interrupted his original answer. Was it because he was about to say he wore no gloves in the woods, at the scene? Milat tries to recover with "I wore no gloves in my car," but at that point the damage was done.
^^Note that Milat's slip of the tongue revealed the actual truth because his brain on auto-pilot would naturally default to the truth, because lying & manufacturing fiction tax cognitive load.
Milat's partial answer, merely 3 words long, nonetheless incriminated him because the design of the prosecutor's question presumes Milat's presence at the scene on the date of the offenses. Having "established" that, the only unknown is whether Milat wore gloves or not. Hence, if Milat truly was not present at the specified time & place (as he protests), the only answer consistent with his innocence is something like "what are you talking about, I don't know which trip through the woods you're even asking me about, so how can I remember if I wore gloves."
2 other illustrative examples to clarify the type of confession I'm describing:
2) A well-known one is Wayne Williams.
Prosecutor: isn't it true you choked them
Prosecutor: did you ever experience any panic.
WW: During what?
Prosecutor: when you were choking them
Reportedly at this juncture Williams erupts: "NO, stop trying to conform me to that FBI guy's profile [which predicted that the offender would panic during his encounters?]."
This response incriminated him in two respects: the more commonly referenced one is that it showed Williams's true character under his outer composure. But the content of his answer itself is also inculpatory
: it was quite unnatural of Williams to object to the prosecutor's attempt to uncover panic, when Williams's story all along was that he never even crossed paths with the victims, never mind panicking while choking them
To be consistent with his previous answers, Williams would've needed to say something like "I don't know what you're talking about, I wasn't even there so no I never met him, choked him, or whatever it is you mean by 'panicked.'"
3) Last one: Sebastian Burns (Atif Rafay's
codefendant in the 1994 Bellevue, WA attack on Rafay's parents & sister)
As anyone who's followed this case knows, one of the points of controversy is the Canadian RCMP's "Mr. Big technique." In deploying this technique, the undercover RCMP officers earn Burns & Rafay's trust before offering to disappear evidence on their behalf. Of course, to do them this favor, the RCMP would first need to hear from Burns & Rafay what the heck happened so they know what to attend to.
Burns does most of the storytelling. The prosecution's contention is that the account Burns narrated is what actually happened. Burns maintains that it was just some story they 100% made up to impress/appease the [undercover RCMP officer] impersonating some crime lord because of awe/intimidation.
Well at one point, after Burns recounts taking a shower & towel-drying afterward in Rafay's basement, RCMP asks Burns "was the towel red?"
Burns's reply is quite telling because he wasn't expecting such a minute detail to matter much. He eventually replies with "uh, I don't remember what color it was."
This answer indicates that the story he's telling is his recounting of events that actually happened.
When asked for the towel's color, he's trying to flip thru his recollection. He might've even looked at Rafay for a bit to see if he remembers, but they just exchanged silent gazes.
If he were making up a fictional plot, there'd be no towel, let alone towel color, to "remember." Because fiction need not cohere with reality, he could've easily made up any color, like teal. He could've even blustered "lol idk dude, it's just a towel, who cares what color it was."
But his actual answer of "I don't remember" after a pause to search his recollection indicates that he's trying to ensure his story's fidelity to reality, because (ostensibly) his purpose is to help the [undercover] crime lord help them discard an actually existing towel
. He didn't answer "idk, teal" or "lol who cares" because he was actually trying to tell the crime lord what items to disappear, not just crafting a tall tale for giggles. Can you think of other examples of criminals "accidentally" revealing so much truth in so seemingly innocuous a manner?
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2019.03.11 14:42 osestella What was hard about your abortion process and what could made it easier?
Reading many posts here, I find that many women struggle with similar issues during the abortion process. I also noticed that most of the time our experience could have been easier.So I decided to write down some practical issues that may be causing abortion to be harder then it needs to be.I double checked all the information I wrote. But some of it may not be true to every country. With that in mind also feel free to correct me if my informations are wrong (Or other specific difficulties you may have in your country.)
Obviously I haven;t cover everything. There are many factors that may make the process difficult and each experience is very personal.I hope this can help us track the problems and solutions for the many factors that might be making this experience harder. And start a conversation about what can we do to make the procedure easier for us.
Here is my list:
- Unsuportlive and in comprehensive community. (Fear, shame and stigma.)
Most of us do not feel we can share this information with people near us out for fear of being judge. This means it can be hard to explain to your boss, to your SO, to your church, to your doctor, to your teachers, to your family, to your friends what is going on. This will cause many problems such as not being able to leave work to go to the doctor, lack of emotional/financial support from loved ones, judgement, isolation and stress.
- Dealing alone with the mental load Most women need to ask for the partner to take action (help to pay for costs, be there foi appointments, getting more information about the procedure, paying attention on dates, help to take care of the symptoms, help worrying about the experience). Most man don't post here to ask for information or ask on how they can support their partners. 99% of the time is the girl who is asking the questions. I find it would be much easier if the other person equally responsable would take more action.
- High costs Costs may vary from country to country but I find that the process is highly overpriced in most places.In my country you do the procedure at home and without supervision of a doctor. The medication they used in medical abortion (misoprostol) costs 4,99 euros in a regular pharmacy. In my country there is free public health so the obgyn is free - but the problem is a regular obgyn cannot prescribe you the pills (and you cannot buy the mifepristone). So the price sky rocket to a medical abortion of 600 euros. This means - basically - a margin of 99.1667%.(obs: I have not included the price of mifepristone because is not available in regular pharmacies in most countries. But even considering the price of mifepristone and costs of a private obgyn, the margin is still very high and the price seems unnecessarily high.)
I'm sure there are taxes and other factors that play a part in making it expensive. But the medical abortion was first designed to reduce costs - which didn't turn out to be the case.
- Hormones and symptoms Allowing women to do the abortion faster (if she chooses to) may decrease the hormonal impact. The faster the women are allow to do the procedure the easier the symptoms and recovery will be. Also decreasing other stresses would help women to have the mental space to care for their well being.
- Laws Many countries have anti abortion laws which makes abortion dangerous and expensive. It also creates more taboo and fear around it.In other countries most doctors are not allowed to perform the procedure or prescribe the medical abortion. We are forced to go to a specific clinic (sometimes not available in our area), even thought is a fairly easy procedure. It is also common to have forced waiting periods which can be up to 5 days depending on the country. This can prolong the waiting which - besides the underlying judgment and prejudice - worsen the symptoms, the anxiety, creates trauma and makes recovery harder.I think most women find the waiting to be the worst part and laws are not helping us to take care of things faster.
- Lack of information and education Ob-gyns usually don't bring up the subject with patients neither do schools, this leads to a lot of fear and doubts around the procedure. Not only "regular people" don't learn and talk about abortion I found out a lot of doctors also don't. Abortion isn’t part of the curriculum in most medical schools, although it’s an extremely common procedure. Abortion also isn’t commonly addressed in residency programs because some institutions, such as Catholic hospitals, refuse to address it. So there is also a lot of misinformation in the medical community.
A few articles on some of the topics.http://helloflo.com/is-your-doctor-an-abortion-provider-heres-why-it-matters/https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/why-the-12-abortion-pill-ru486-costs-australian-women-500/news-story/cdc978b519914ffb5c6a1264b3fd4f80https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2018/03/16/lets-talk-about-mandatory-waiting-periods/
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2018.12.26 05:58 subreddit_stats Subreddit Stats: Nepal top posts from 2017-12-24 to 2018-12-24 05:16 PDT
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- 1358 points, 37 submissions: Usernp
- First Nepal Railways train 1927 (91 points, 5 comments)
- Elvis Presley with King Mahendra of Nepal and his wife Queen Ratna in LA 1960 (84 points, 16 comments)
- Happy 100th birthday Rastra Kavi Madhav Prasad Ghimire (61 points, 9 comments)
- Street dentist - 1964 (61 points, 2 comments)
- Nepali comedy serials starter pack (57 points, 26 comments)
- Apparently this is how Nepal got its name (54 points, 20 comments)
- The Nepali movie song starter pack (49 points, 28 comments)
- Nepalis right now (48 points, 49 comments)
- two Nepali women selected for Forbes 30 under 30 Asia (48 points, 35 comments)
- Sajha Yatayat launches electric bus in Kathmandu (47 points, 21 comments)
- 983 points, 23 submissions: xkathmandu
- Kathmandu 1960 (photo by Toni Hagen) (146 points, 21 comments)
- Tharu women of Nepal (photo by Kashish Das Shrestha) [1080x861] (88 points, 3 comments)
- Pokhara [Photo by Durga Baral (Batsyayan)] (84 points, 6 comments)
- Kazi Bhairab Bahadur on a mission from Nepal to Beijing (August 15, 1908) (76 points, 19 comments)
- The Nepal paintings of Henry Ambrose Oldfield (73 points, 21 comments)
- Young girl in Helambu (by Mukunda Bahadur Shrestha, 1970) (71 points, 6 comments)
- PSA: Go see Hari (48 points, 19 comments)
- A month-long investigation by the Kathmandu Post into Michael Kobold and his Fire Truck expedition has revealed a string of lies, exaggerations, and dodgy financial dealings (44 points, 22 comments)
- The Garden of Eden: The rise and fall of DD Sharma, Nepal's hashish pioneer (33 points, 13 comments)
- Massive air and water pollution from Carlsberg brewery (32 points, 26 comments)
- 883 points, 29 submissions: y2k2r2d2
- Today is labour Day. (112 points, 8 comments)
- "Nepal get one-day international status. Thats a hell of a story for world cricket. Done it while their board is suspended from the ICC too" (73 points, 18 comments)
- Learn to use laptops within 6 months or you’ll be sacked, Nepal PM tells ministers (55 points, 41 comments)
- Thug Life is harsh around this part of the world. (49 points, 14 comments)
- Nepal is the 6th fastest growing tourist destination . (33 points, 14 comments)
- So Where do we go? (32 points, 6 comments)
- Government buys its first electric vehicle. BYD e6. Plans to promote electric vehicle usage and production to reduce trade deficits. (29 points, 13 comments)
- Not So long ago. (29 points, 11 comments)
- BBC World Service - The Compass, My Perfect Country, My Perfect Country: Nepal , On Maternal Mortality rate reduction by 80% in 10 years. (28 points, 0 comments)
- Paras Khadka drawing. 2018 (28 points, 2 comments)
- 853 points, 16 submissions: kiru0
- Life is harsh in this part of World. (182 points, 38 comments)
- Welcome to the purple capital (135 points, 30 comments)
- Aww!! Majestic Rhododendron(Baglung) (102 points, 10 comments)
- When you use Google translator for everything (102 points, 9 comments)
- Road expansion effect in cultural heritage (46 points, 11 comments)
- This hydro-wheel can pump water over a mile without the need for electricity. (46 points, 15 comments)
- Nepali comedian Manoj Gajurel listed in 18 Trump impersonators list by CBS (32 points, 15 comments)
- Dr. Yubaraj Khatiwada is set to be new finance minister of Nepal. (30 points, 11 comments)
- [TIL] Today in History(1988) 93 Die in Nepal Stadium Stampede: Soccer Fans Rush to Locked Exits in Sudden Hailstorm (28 points, 13 comments)
- Share your Trolly bus experienced in Kathmandu.Why was this service closed? (27 points, 36 comments)
- 791 points, 16 submissions: ktmguy01
- Today we celebrated our Friendship with our loyal Doggy friends in Nepal (137 points, 43 comments)
- Our world is weird. In one hand, we have children working as child labor or self-child laborer. On the other hand, we have a huge amount of educated unemployment youths. Then, we have citizens who work in spite of being over retirement age. (106 points, 31 comments)
- FOOD: drawn by 11 year old (86 points, 8 comments)
- Life is hash in this part of World. (68 points, 10 comments)
- Where roads like these are normal - Nepal (55 points, 9 comments)
- TIL Mira Rai stopped going to school at age 12 to carry max 28 KG Rice daily and sell it from 4am to 7pm to support her family. Today she is an Ultrarunning Prodigy admired worldwide. (54 points, 18 comments)
- Nepal Bodybuilding Association Presents: The World Wrestling Heavyweight Championship (48 points, 17 comments)
- With the help of BBC, Nepal police helps chimps escape smuggling from Nigeria to India via Nepal(Policeman was in shock, he says "they look so much like Human babies") (40 points, 24 comments)
- Stephen Curry eating MoMo (34 points, 26 comments)
- Lets us not forget and let us not diverge from other current news. India is blockading the Maldives right now!! (29 points, 28 comments)
- 733 points, 12 submissions: geekybhai
- Bauddhanath 1979 AD (112 points, 14 comments)
- Newroad gate,kathmandu 50 Year Ago (104 points, 12 comments)
- Condition of kathmandu after Rain. (84 points, 20 comments)
- Men carrying car for the first time to Kathmandu back in 1948 (84 points, 9 comments)
- सन्सारको सबै भन्दा पातलो पुल ! (Rain Effect in Ktm) (82 points, 11 comments)
- काठमाडौको पहिलो फिल्म हल ६८ वर्षअघि ! (63 points, 11 comments)
- May this Eid bring lots of joy and happiness in your life. Eid Mubarak! (55 points, 49 comments)
- Tinkune, Kathmandu. Then (1972) vs Now (44 points, 13 comments)
- A warm and heartfelt Ramadan Mubarak to everyone. (41 points, 3 comments)
- Gold price Published in 2031 Gorkhapatra.So cheap 😋 (24 points, 5 comments)
- 581 points, 15 submissions: mr_haude
- Bagbazar, Kathmandu in 1968 (97 points, 23 comments)
- Swyambhunath (91 points, 9 comments)
- A local group is illegally setting up booths and charging fees to foreigners near Everest, and the government hasn't done anything about it (57 points, 11 comments)
- Oli's पानीजहाज (52 points, 19 comments)
- Shrinkhala Khatiwada Wins Beauty with a Purpose Challenge at Miss World 2018 (51 points, 38 comments)
- Nepali ophthalmologist Dr Sanduk Ruit bags Padma Shri Award (34 points, 3 comments)
- इटाली भाग्न खोज्ने मेलम्ची आयोजनाका ८ कर्मचारी पक्राउ (30 points, 7 comments)
- Everest record-holder Lhakpa Sherpa is a dishwasher at Whole Foods (24 points, 19 comments)
- Pride of Australia: Heart surgeon Kumud Dhital’s breakthrough (22 points, 15 comments)
- Umer - Bartika Eam Rai (22 points, 6 comments)
- 556 points, 9 submissions: shutterpsycho
- Was traveling aroud the hills this Dashain, and what a view to end the festival with. Shot at Nagigau, near Beni. (91 points, 15 comments)
- It was kinda dreamy and I was kinda sleepy, both helped it was beautiful that day. (89 points, 21 comments)
- One fine day in Phoksundo lake,Dolpa. (87 points, 34 comments)
- That chill dip while phewa turns gold as sunsets in Pokhara. Was a great end to the day. (87 points, 22 comments)
- One fine day in begnas lake with reflection of Annapurna second, Annapurna fourth and Lamjung himal. (66 points, 6 comments)
- One of the highlights from trip to Manang, Tal Village. (59 points, 13 comments)
- Monsoon vibes from Ghandruk,Nepal. Was a great sight after rainfall. (40 points, 4 comments)
- That night when we camped just by the Phoksundo lake,Nepal under million stars. (20 points, 2 comments)
- So I posted a photo earlier from my Dolpo trip, and there is a confusion if its my photo or not. So here is my insta profile where I post my work traveling around the country. Someone asked to upload the raw photo, since I am not home I am posting this to verify thats my work. Thank you. (17 points, 3 comments)
- 485 points, 14 submissions: pinkinthecenter
- Lhakpa Sherpa, a single mother of two, working as a dishwasher in the US and saving for the airfare by herself, hopes to climb Mt. Everest for the record ninth time. (55 points, 1 comment)
- Transport workers (read: drivers, conductors) will not join the protests being held by the syndicates. They expect these changes to benefit the workers. (51 points, 8 comments)
- This POS government blocked the whole ringroad and even restricted the foot movement of people for more than 1 hour today. Even the kings used to block only 1 way during ‘sawaris’. Fuck the pseudo-kings. (50 points, 9 comments)
- Can we do something about blatant promotional posts by people here? (49 points, 9 comments)
- Football’s broken dreams African footballers who end up in Nepal and the struggles they face. (45 points, 12 comments)
- Came across this picture today. Sorry for the bad quality. (44 points, 20 comments)
- Construction begins in 25 MW Solar Project, largest in Nepal till date, undertaken by Nepal Electricity Authority. Expected to complete in a year. With the costs for installation plummeting, this should be the way forward for Nepal. (36 points, 12 comments)
- Saw this ad for Nokia phones today. Takes me back 10 years ago playing snakes in Nokia 1110 during load shedding hours. (32 points, 6 comments)
- Dr. Upendra Devkota has returned from England and has decided to not pursue any course of treatment for his disease. He has begun writing about his experiences and thoughts in a series of writings. Here is the first installment of his series titled "मेरो माटो मेरो चन्दन". (28 points, 2 comments)
- Qatar to compensate World Cup workers (most of whom are from Nepal and India). The country pledges to return the recruitment fees paid by the workers. (24 points, 7 comments)
- y2k2r2d2 (1990 points, 629 comments)
- Usernp (1311 points, 541 comments)
- Khyaute (1300 points, 364 comments)
- ordinaryeeguy (1114 points, 240 comments)
- xkathmandu (1077 points, 254 comments)
- Narcius (956 points, 265 comments)
- handsomejack777 (950 points, 287 comments)
- psychedlic_breakfast (909 points, 212 comments)
- PrashnaChinha (842 points, 305 comments)
- _MrBond_ (777 points, 187 comments)
- One year ago, I asked reddit how to import raw materials in Nepal, now I am starting a company to design, engineer and manufacture motorcycles, right here in Nepal. by maverickasim (309 points, 116 comments)
- Morgan Freeman in Daura Suruwal by 29Cockroach (246 points, 42 comments)
- Life is harsh in this part of World. by kiru0 (182 points, 38 comments)
- Met this guy on the Mardi Himal trek by mvstic (172 points, 19 comments)
- Finally the historic day has arrived by turing042 (168 points, 18 comments)
- pikachu meme catching up by theRedRedditer (166 points, 54 comments)
- Boudhanath from the top by 49unbeaten (164 points, 17 comments)
- No matter what i will never give up on you, Nepal by deleted (151 points, 19 comments)
- I made a painting collab that matched perfectly. Vincent In Nepal by pastalin (146 points, 39 comments)
- Kathmandu 1960 (photo by Toni Hagen) by xkathmandu (146 points, 21 comments)
- 127 points: Ethereum_dapps's comment in I don't know how to search for jobs.
- 89 points: RajaRajaC's comment in Hello and Namaste to India... from Nepal. An issue we need to discuss.
- 88 points: anonyjen's comment in reporting a possible rapist friend
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- 67 points: OwnScar's comment in Hello and Namaste to India... from Nepal. An issue we need to discuss.
- 65 points: OwnScar's comment in Hello and Namaste to India... from Nepal. An issue we need to discuss.
- 63 points: ordinaryeeguy's comment in My father took away my condoms
- 57 points: wickedbabaganoush's comment in reporting a possible rapist friend
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2018.11.01 01:52 Revivous Pre-season guide: Quest for NRL glory in 2019 begins now
Revs Edit: Originally posted on DT here
text was too long to make as reply.
PREPARATIONS for next year have kicked-off with four clubs starting their pre-season today.
But some of the biggest names in the game will be forced to watch from the sidelines due to injury.
Souths captain Greg Inglis had surgery to fix a neck complaint in the off-season but it isn’t expected to delay his return to training on light duties later this month.
Across the ditch, New Zealand’s Issac Luke has had a shoulder reconstruction. The hooker, who was slated to miss the bulk of the preseason, will be out for the first three rounds of next year.
Greg Inglis has a neck issue which will prevent him from starting pre-season straight away.
Parramatta will clock on for day one today after a bitterly disappointing wooden spoon finish to last season.
Star back Jarryd Hayne is yet to re-sign with the club despite both parties expressing a desire to come to an agreement.
The squad will travel to Armidale on Sunday for a training camp.
There was first-day-at-school nerves across town at Belmore when six new faces reported for the first day of pre-season.
The arrival of Jack Cogger, Christian Crichton, Corey Harawira-Naera, Nick Meaney and Sauaso Sue will likely be overshadowed by David Klemmer’s contract saga, which looks certain to reach a crescendo over the summer.
Issac Luke nursed his shoulder through the 2018 season.
At the foot of the mountains, new coach Ivan Cleary will be without his first-choice halves pairing James Maloney and son Nathan until the new year.
Cleary has had surgery on a troublesome ankle injury. Maloney is scheduled to go under the knife next week to fix a neck complaint.
The Daily Telegraph understands while Maloney still has two years on his deal at Penrith, the club has concerns about his body handling the rigours of two more NRL campaigns.
Ben Barba’s two-year NRL exile will be over on Monday when he has his first pre-season since 2016 up in Townsville. North Queensland Warhorse Matt Scott required another neck operation and will be eased back to training from November 15.
Nathan Cleary underwent surgery this week so won’t be available to join his father at the Panthers just yet. Picture: Getty
The Broncos are confident their entire casualty ward will be available for round one selection. This includes Anthony Milford, who had a shoulder reconstruction and won’t be back at Red Hill until after Christmas. Hooker Andrew McCullough had finger surgery on a damaged ligament and will be on light duties next month.
There have been a slew of football department appointments across all 16 clubs. Newcastle have welcomed six new performance staff following the appointment of Brian Canavan as director of football. The man at the helm of Tonga’s rise on the international stage, Kristian Woolf, joins the Knights as an assistant to Nathan Brown.
Broncos Return to training: November 24
Ins: Sean O’Sullivan (Roosters)
Outs: Korbin Sims (Dragons), Sam Thaiday (retired), Tom Opacic (Cowboys), Jonus Pearson (St George Illawarra Dragons)
Staff appointments: None
Training camps: TBC
Trial games: TBC
Injury update: Payne Haas (shoulder), Andrew McCullough (finger) and Jack Bird (sternum) will return to full training by Christmas. Anthony Milford (shoulder) isn’t expected back until January.
Talking point: Coach Wayne Bennett’s future is sorted for now, but how will it impact team camaraderie during the pre-season knowing their leader will out the door, possibly taking star players to Redfern with him.
Raiders Return to training: Today
Ins: Ryan Sutton (Wigan), John Bateman (Wigan)
Outs: Shannon Boyd (Titans), Junior Paulo (Eels), Blake Austin (Warrington Wolves), Charlie Gubb (Widnes Vikings)
New staff: Andrew McFadden (Assistant Coach)
Training camps: Planned, location TBC
Trial games: TBC
Injury update: Ata Hingo (shoulder) could miss two months of season 2019. Captain Jarrod Croker (knee) won’t begin contact training until January. Both players required surgery.
Talking point: The departure of bopper Boyd and Paulo signals a change in Ricky Stuart’s blueprint of a power-game based on his behemoth forwards. Can a new look mobile pack take Canberra into September?
Bulldogs Returning to training: November 1
Ins: Jack Cogger (Knights), Christian Crichton (Panthers), Corey Harawira-Naera (Panthers), Nick Meaney (Knights), Sauaso Sue (Tigers)
Outs: Matt Frawley (Huddersfield Giants), Brett Morris (Roosters), Josh Morris (Sharks), Clay Priest (released), Asipeli Fine (released)
New staff appointments: Tony Ayoub (High Performance Manager)
Training camps: None
Trial games: v Raiders, 23 February
Injury update: Kieran Foran (toe) is back for the first day of preseason after missing the bulk of 2018. Josh Jackson had shoulder surgery which will require two months of rehab. He’ll then move into a modified program for four weeks. Kerrod Hollad (ankle) won’t be in full-training until December.
Talking point: The contract saga surrounding David Klemmer will hang over the club until it is resolved. Coach Dean Pay will have his hands full galvanising a roster with six new faces.
Sharks Return to training: November 12
Ins: Josh Morris (Bulldogs)
Outs: Luke Lewis (retired), Jesse Ramien (Knights), Edrick Lee (Knights) Ricky Leutele (Toronto Wolfpack), Joseph Paulo (St Helens RLFC), Kurt Dillon (Rabbitohs), Trent Hodkinson (Sea Eagles)
New staff appointments: None
Training camps: None
Trial games: v Manly, February 23; v Knights in Maitland, March 2
Injury update: Wade Graham (knee) will be on a modified program for the entire preseason. Josh Dugan, Matt Moylan and Jayson Bukuya all required shoulder surgery and will be on rehab programs during the first half of pre-season.
Talking point: From today Valentine Holmes is a free agent and speculation about his future will dominate talk down in the Shire.
Titans Return to training: November 5
Ins: Jesse Arthars (Rabbitohs), Ryley Jacks (Storm), Shannon Boyd (Raiders), Tyrone Peachey (Panthers), Tyrone Roberts (Warrington)
Outs: Konrad Hurrell (Leeds Rhinos), Kane Elgey (Sea Eagles), Brendan Elliot (released), Joe Greenwood (Wigan Warriors), Ryan Simpkins (retired)
New staff appointments: Dan Ferris (Head of Performance)
Training camps: TBC
Trial games: TBC
Injury update: AJ Brimson, Morgan Boyle and Max King all had shoulder surgery. Boyle and King will be on no-contact programs until around December. Brimson won’t be rushed back with January 2019 his earliest possible return.
Talking point: After a lowly finish Garth Brennan will be coaching for his career. He’ll also need to convince star signing Tyrone Peachey the Gold Coast is exactly the place he wants to be.
Manly Return to training: November 5
Ins: Trent Hodkinson (Sharks), Kane Elgey (Titans), Brendon Elliot (Titans)
Outs: Akuila Uate (Huddersfield Giants), Shaun Lane (Eels), Lewis Brown (released)
New staff appointments: Des Hasler (coach), Noel Cleal (recruitment)
Training camps: TBC
Trial games: v Cronulla 23 February; v Roosters 2 March
Injury update: Api Koroisau will be at day one of preseason after missing the back half of this season with a foot injury.
Talking point: Hasler v Trent Barrett. The club refuses to release Barrett before July and Barrett is adamant he should be the coach until then. November 5 will be an interesting day at Narrabeen.
Storm Return to training: November 15
Ins: Albert Vete (Warriors)
Outs: Billy Slater (retired), Ryan Hoffman (retired), Tim Glasby (Knights), Ryley Jacks (Titans), Young Tonumaipea (released)
New staff appointments: Ryan Hinchcliffe (development coach), Billy Slater (specialist coach)
Training camps: TBC
Trial games: TBC
Injury update: Nelson Asofa-Solomona didn’t play an off-season Tests due to an ankle injury. He’ll be in rehab until he returns to the training paddock in early 2019.
Talking point: Cameron Smith is the last man standing of the ‘Big Three’. Or is he? There’s still no official word on his future.
Cowboys Return to training: November 5
Ins: Ben Barba (St Helens), Nene Macdonald (Dragons), Tom Opacic (Broncos), Kurt Baptiste (Roosters)
Outs: Johnathan Thurston (retired), Antonio Winterstein (retired), Kane Linnett (released), Shaun Fensom (released), Lachlan Coote (St Helens)
New staff appointments: David Tangata-Toa (assistant coach), Michael Dobbin (head of high performance)
Training camp: Yes, location TBC
Injury update: Michael Morgan (bicep) and Matt Scott (neck) will return to training on November 12 and will be on light duties.
Talking point: Will electric fullback Ben Barba rediscover the form that helped Cronulla to a title after his two-year exile from the NRL?
Knights Return to training: November 5
Ins: Jesse Ramien (Sharks), Tim Glasby (Storm), Edrick Lee (Sharks), Mason Lino (Warriors)
Outs: Chris Heighington (retired), Brock Lamb (released), Jacob Lillyman (retired), Jack Cogger (Bulldogs), Nick Meaney (Bulldogs), Chanel Mata’utia (released), Pat Mata’utia (released)
New staff appointments: Brian Canavan, Balin Cupples (physical performance manager), Kristian Woolf (assistant coach)
Training camps: TBC
Trial games: v Dragon in Cessnock; v Sharks in Maitland
Injury update: Kalyn Ponga (ankle) will be fit to return in November. Nathan Ross (groin) will re-join the group in December. Jacob Saifiti (shoulder) and Tautau Moga (knee) will be on modified programs when they return to training in November.
Talking point: Will coach Nathan Brown pull off one of the biggest signing coup’s by luring Canterbury’s David Klemmer to Newcastle?
Eels Return to training: November 1
Ins: Blake Ferguson (Roosters), Shaun Lane (Sea Eagles), Junior Paulo (Raiders)
Outs: Cameron King (released), Suaia Matagi (Huddersfield Giants), Kenny Edwards (Catalan Dragons)
New staff appointments: TBC
Training camps: Armidale
Trial games: v Panthers March 2
Injury update: Blake Ferguson (broken fibula) won’t be delayed despite and will begin training following his mandated break in mid November. Kaysa Pritchard (shoulder) will be on light duties for most of the preseason. Nathan Brown and Daniel Alvaro will be on rehab programs for their respective knee injuries.
Talking point: Brad Arthur and his squad are back to training but the stalemate between Jarryd Hayne and the club continues. Will he be in the Blue and Gold next year?
Panthers First day: November 12
Ins: Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Tim Grant, Tyrell Fuimaono
Outs: Corey Harawira-Naera (Bulldogs), Tyrone Peachey (Titans), Maika Sivo (Eels), Christian Crichton (Bulldogs)
New staff: Ivan Cleary (coach), Hayden Knowles and Craig Catterick (strength and conditioning)
Training camps: None
Trial games: v Eels, March 2
Injury update: James Maloney (neck) and Nathan Clearly (ankle) both had surgery and won’t be in full training until after the New Year.
Talking point: Keeping up with the Cleary’s. Rest assured the father son combination will be the talk of Penrith over the summer.
Rabbitohs Return date: November 12
Ins: Corey Allan (Broncos), Kurt Dillon (Sharks) and Bayley Sironen (Tigers).
Outs: Angus Crichton (Roosters), Jason Clark (Warrington Wolves)
New staff appointments: None
Training camp: TBC
Trial games: v Dragons, March 2
Injury update: Sam Burgess went under the knife to fix his shoulder and wrist. Cameron Murray also had shoulder surgery. Greg Inglis had a neck operation. All will return on modified program before going into full training.
Talking point: Anthony Seibold built his 2018 campaign on camaraderie, will his side buy into this approach given he’s already committed his future to the Broncos?
Dragons Return to training: November 5
Ins: Korbin Sims (Broncos), Jonus Pearson (Broncos)
Outs: Jason Nightingale (retired), Leeson Ah Mau (Warriors), Nene Macdonald (Cowboys), Hame Sele (released)
New staff: None
Training camps: TBC in December
Trial games: v Rabbitohs, March 2
Injury update: Tariq Sims (knee) will be eased back after surgery and is a chance of playing in the charity shield. Gareth Widdop won’t be back at training until the New Year as he rehabs his shoulder. Paul Vaughan (foot) isn’t scheduled back until post-Christmas.
Talking point: This side’s late-season fades have been attributed to Paul McGregor’s gruelling summers, will the coach change up his pre-season approach?
Roosters Return to training: Late November
Ins: Angus Crichton (Rabbitohs), Brett Morris (Bulldogs), Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos)
Outs: Blake Ferguson (Eels), Ryan Matterson (Tigers), Paul Momirovski (Tigers), Sean O’Sullivan (Broncos), Kurt Baptiste (Cowboys)
New staff appointments: Adam O’Brien (assistant coach)
Training camps: Yes, TBC
Trial games: v Wigan Warriors; v Sea Eagles, March 2
Injury update: Cooper Cronk (scapula) isn’t scheduled back until after Christmas. Angus Crichton (shoulder) had surgery and will require rehab before he returns to full contact early in 2019. Zane Tetevano (bicep) will miss the bulk of the pre-season.
Talking point: Cooper Cronk played with the kind of injury that ruins careers, will he be the same player in 2019? Oh, and will Angus Crichton be allowed to keep his rock star haircut?
Warriors Return to training: November 1
Ins: Leeson Ah Mau (Dragons)
Outs: Simon Mannering (retired), Albert Vete (Storm), Mason Lino (Knights)
New staff appointments: Todd Payten (assistant coach), Nathan Cayless (ISP coach)
Training camps: Yes, location TBC
Trail games: TBC
Injury updates: Tuivasa-Sheck (knee) will return to training on light duties. Issac Luke (shoulder) will miss the opening month of season 2019.
Talking point: The news Shaun Johnson has been told to look for a new club has tongues wagging and the speculation will continue well into the pre-season.
Tigers Return to training: November 15
Ins: Ryan Matterson (Roosters), Paul Momirovski (Roosters)
Outs: Sauaso Sue (Bulldogs) Tim Grant (Panthers), Tuimoala Lolohea (Leeds Rhinos), Kevin Naiqama (St Helens RLFC)
New staff: Michael Maguire (coach)
Training camps: None
Trial games: TBC
Injuries: Josh Reynolds has overcome his shoulder complaint and will be back in full-training in November. Robbie Rochow (hand) is still on a rehab program following surgery.
Talking point: The bus has a new driver with premiership credentials, can Maguire steer his new side back into finals contention?
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2018.07.11 00:50 kaunis [Tuesday, July 10 2018] World's fish consumption unsustainable, U.N. warns; Thailand cave rescue: All 12 boys, coach freed, latest updates; SpaceX Wins Its First Falcon Heavy Contract — With the Air Force; ASU's "smell lab" is attempting to make scents out of outer space
When doctors respond to their patients with empathy instead of complex medical talk, they are more likely to receive crucial information that can lead to better patient outcomes, improved patient satisfaction, and reduced doctor burnout, according to a new study.
[Title Post] SpaceX Wins Its First Falcon Heavy Contract — With the Air Force
[Title Post] ASU's "smell lab" is attempting to make scents out of outer space. Their first project analyzed the gas cloud Sagittarius B2 and detected the presence of ethyl formate, which smells like raspberries and rum. They then distilled the gas cloud's smell into a lip balm named "Center of the Galaxy."
ELI5, why did some animals in the same family become hyper aggressive like geese, whereas ducks are relatively benign?
TIL Owning an electric car in Norway grants you free public parking, free ferry trips and the right to drive in bus lanes
TIL two trapped miners once asked for an ipod with The Foo Fighters music on it to keep their spirits up. After hearing this, Dave Grohl wrote a note saying "I want you to know that when you come home, there's two tickets to any Foos show, anywhere, and two cold beers waiting for you".
TIL doctors from UCLA found unique blood cells that can help fight infections in a man from Seattle's spleen, so they stole the cells from his body and developed it into medicine without paying him, getting his consent, or even letting him know they were doing it.
[WP] A time traveler goes from 2018 to 1980. Instead of using his knowledge for great gain or influence history, he writes a sitcom that scarily accurately predicts future events.
The four Thai Navy Seals (one medic) that stayed IN the cave with the boys since they were discovered. They monitored their health and prepped them for their dangerous escape were the last to emerge after the 13 originals.
Something New Everyday we’ll feature a selected small subreddit and its top content. It's a fun way to include and celebrate smaller subreddits.
Today's subreddit is... Its top 3 all time posts
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2017.12.04 18:00 autobuzzfeedbot 14 Couples Who Have Gone Through Some Truly Batshit Crazy Things
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- In 1994, Sgt. Stephen Schap was found guilty of the murder of Spec. Gregory Glover, his wife's lover, while stationed in Germany. Stephen decapitated him, and personally delivered his head to the hospital bed where his pregnant wife was resting. Stephen's wife was pregnant with Glover's child.
- In 2014, Adriana, a 39-year-old married woman from Brazil, wanted to find her long lost mother, who abandoned her when she was an infant. So, Adriana went on a TV show that helped locate her mother Maria. The two had an emotional reunion, but the mother revealed that she had also abandoned Adriana's infant brother, Leandro...who happened to be Adriana's now-husband. The couple vowed to stay together despite the incest.
- In 2011, Angela Voelkert created a Facebook account for a fake teenager to chat up her ex-husband David Voelkert, in an attempt to obtain incriminating information she could use in an ongoing child custody fight. In the Facebook messages, David admits to putting a tracking device on Angela's car and wanting to hire someone to kill her. Angela used the messages to obtain a restraining order against David, who was promptly arrested. Four days later, David was able to prove to the FBI that HE KNEW he was chatting with his ex-wife all along by providing a notarized affidavit that read, “I am lying to this person to gain positive proof that it is indeed my ex-wife trying to again tamper in my life.”
- In 1989 Patti and David Stallings gave birth to Ryan, who suffered from a series of health issues. Police questioned the married couple after an active antifreeze ingredient was found in his blood. He was taken away by child services, and the parents were allowed to see him for one hour a week. One day, after a supervised visit, Ryan was rushed to the hospital in critical condition and died. Patti was found guilty of her son's death, and sentenced to life in prison. While in prison, she gave birth to a second child, D.J., who appeared to have the same health issues as Ryan. It was discovered that both children suffered from a rare metabolic disorder. The prosecutor asked for the murder charge to be dismissed and Patti was freed after 14 months in jail.
- In 2001, Charles Ingram, along with the help of his wife Diana and fellow contestant Tecwen Whittock, cheated his way to a million pounds on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? with the help of coughs. Ingram would verbally go over the four answers to each question, and Whittock would cough to signal the right answer.
- Sana and Adnan Klaric, a married couple from Central Bosnia, began chatting online without realizing they were talking to one another. After confiding in each other about their marriage troubles, the two decided to meet for a date, only to discover they had been talking to each other all along. The two filed for divorce after accusing each other of being unfaithful.
- In 1967, Dr. Seuss' wife Helen Palmer committed suicide after discovering her husband's affair with Audrey Stone Dimond. Dr. Seuss started the affair while Palmer was suffering from cancer. After her death, Dr. Seuss went on to marry his mistress on June 21, 1968.
- In 65 AD, Emperor Nero kicked his wife Poppaea Sabina to death while she was pregnant with his child. He went into mourning, after which he had a slave boy, who looked like Poppaea, castrated and ordered to act as a stand in for his deceased wife.
- One night in 2006, Susan Walters returned home from work and was attacked by a hitman using a claw hammer. Despite receiving a couple of blows, Susan managed to outwrestle the hitman, and choked him to death. The hitman was hired by Michael Kuhnhausen, Susan's husband.
- A married couple in China appeared to be running a restaurant from 6 a.m. to 3 a.m. everyday, astonishing locals with their rigorous 21-hour work days. The couple earned the moniker "the robot couple" because of how much they seemed to work. It was later revealed that the couple was actually a set of identical twins. Two twin brothers married two twin sisters, and the four of them decided to go into the restaurant business together.
- In 1996, Denise Rossi won $1.3 million in the California lottery. Eleven days later she filed for divorce from her husband, and chose to keep her winnings a secret. She said in a deposition that she concealed her winnings because she didn't want her ex-husband to "get his hands" on her money. In the end, a family court judge ruled that she violated state asset disclosure laws and awarded the ex-husband ALL of her lottery winnings.
- In February 2000, John Price took out a restraining order on his partner Katherine Knight. In return, Knight murdered Price by stabbing him 37 times. She skinned him, cooked his head and several other body parts with some vegetables, and neatly served them on plates next to placecards bearing Price's children's names.
- When Australian resident Noela Rukundo went to her native Burundi for a funeral, her husband Balenga Kalala took the opportunity to hire hitmen to kill her. The hitmen kidnapped Noela, but refused to kill her, since they didn't kill women and children. Instead, they gave Noela all the incriminating evidence, from recorded telephone conversations to Western Union receipts, to put her husband in jail. After Kalala told everyone back in Melbourne about his wife's death, Noela arrived home and had her husband arrested.
- In 1989, Charles Stuart and his pregnant wife Carol were supposedly robbed and shot by a black man in Boston. Stuart arrived at the hospital with a gunshot to the stomach, while his wife was fatally shot in the head. Doctors delivered her baby, two months premature, but he died shortly after. Boston police apprehended a suspect, who Stuart identified as his attacker. But on January 3, 1990, Stuart's brother confessed to police that Charles was the actual murderer of his wife. He had shot himself in the stomach to make it look like a robbery.
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2017.10.13 04:38 ShamelessSoaDAShill I'm Having Trouble Distinguishing Between The Terms "Victim-Blaming" And "Safety Precautions"
I'm going to preface this post by disclaiming that I am not at all
a member or adherent of any "feminist" group or ideology per se; I absolutely believe in equal opportunities for all human beings, but my current perspective on "Feminism proper" has been shaped by public episodes of social zealotry (e.g. the whole "Mattress Girl" farce
) that make the current, Western manifestation of the movement seem more like a modern cult than an actual civil rights crusade.
My worldview aside, in light of recent controversies surrounding the scumbag Weinstein and his serial molestation/raping of women around him, I'd like this Subreddit's help in dissecting some of the language that is brewing in social media circles regarding the whole thing.
More specifically, there was a hashtag trending on Twitter that asked people (or maybe just women?) to describe times in their life when they had to overcome "their own Harvey Weinstein", i.e. sexual predators holding powerful positions in their lives. The stories were disturbingly commonplace and eerily familiar: some sort of employer or family member inevitably forcing victims to participate in unwanted massages (or worse), and victims being unable to react for fear of financial or physical backlash.
One of the narratives arising from this hashtag was women being outraged by us men not doing more: essentially a call for us to "step up" and stop shielding criminals behind some sort of "bro-code" that normalized rapist behavior as a natural consequence of our testosterone or whatever. I didn't really understand the logic behind those accusations, but I figured the people leveling them weren't being malicious in doing so, and so I offered my two cents on the matter to add a slightly dissenting opinion to the mix.
One of the ideas I raised online was subsidized self-defense classes for people across the nation, similar to how earthquake or tornado-preparation drills are provided by the government as a free service to its citizens (I actually remember being part of something like this in 7th grade, but those "lessons" were way
too short and absolutely worthless, outdated crap by modern standards). My idea was to have MMA fighters like Bas Rutten and Ronda Rousey contracted by the government to offer practical, real-world tips on how somebody (especially with lighter bodyweight and/or confined surroundings) could make the most of any situation, and upload these tutorials as a free resource for anyone to learn at home. It wouldn't be a perfect solution by any means, but simply a small step towards ensuring the social footprint of sexual violence becoming as small as possible.
To my shock, immediately I was accused of "victim-blaming" because I was supposedly placing the burden of action on women, when instead I should be suffocating "rape culture" by doing ... I'm not exactly sure what, to be honest. Admonishing aspiring rapists not to rape, and simply hoping for the best? Advocating for random searches of men on the street to make sure they weren't packing date-rape drugs? Pre-emptively jailing men with abnormally high testosterone levels as a safety precaution?
See, here's where I start to not understand the whole backlash against supposed "victim-blaming": I'm a huge fan of martial arts, and one of the core tenets of basically any art is sufficient preparation for the world around you; this is because it's essentially taken for granted that there will always
be criminals out there, and since you can't snuff out their existence entirely, you can at least take steps to ensure their eventual effect on the world is as minimal
as possible. Yes, it's also a relatively violent outlook by conventional Western standards, but as a personal believer in the death penalty for rapists of any age and gender, I've pretty much "drawn my line in the sand" on that issue.
The online discussions devolved into bickering not long after that, but a retort I wish I followed up with was "if victim-blaming is a thing, then why do modern homes come with door-locks installed? Is it smart to shift the narrative away from locking doors or cars, and start focusing instead on how we can stop 'burglar culture' from violating people's privacy?" Forgive me if I'm wrong, but "stop expecting women
to do something about sexual violence!" sounds a lot
to me like "until criminals stop being criminals, we feminists are okay with women being exposed to as
much risk as statistically possible".
Don't get me wrong, nobody is claiming that self-defense classes are magically going to eradicate all rape, or that all attackers are unrelated strangers to each victim, or even that self-defense lessons are guaranteed
to help you in an assault situation. All I'm wondering at is the wisdom of "the philosophy of female inaction", which in this particular context sounds a lot
like the very same "damsel-in-distress" worldview that modern feminism takes a public stance against
: the crusade against "victim-blaming" seems to imply that women are helpless in doing something against sexual violence, and must rely entirely on the goodwill and action of men in order for this problem to be overcome.
I appreciate any and all opinions on the matter at hand, and although I don't expect to find common ground with the majority of people in this Sub, I can at least feel better knowing that I tried to learn something I didn't know before.
Cheers, mates Edit:
Here are some articles that share my particular opinion, and I'm wondering whether the people of this Sub agree with them (or why they don't) - I II III IV Here
is also a counter-argument for people interested, although I admit I wasn't really able to boil down that article to its basic points :
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2017.09.19 07:45 Brodire2012 Man of the Hour: Steve Menzies
I apologise for being a day or so late with this. I've been sick over the past week and wanted to enjoy yesterday as my first day of 'Freedom'. But i'm now back in my hole and ready to talk about footballers. Today in particular, Steve Menzies. One of the most popular Manly players, a comedic side character on Hindy & Fletch and he is one of the top try scorers since the start of the NSWRL in 1908. He is a favourite among league fans, weither you are a Sea Eagles supporter or not.
Rugby league was not new for the Menzies family, as Steve's grandfather, Mackie Campbell was one of the first people to play for the Manly team back when it first came into the NSWRL in 1947. Not a lot is known about him but what is known was that he scored 2 tries that season and that was all he played. But now we come to Steven Menzies. Born on the 4th
of December, 1973 down in Manly. He played as one of those forwards that could also be in the centres or at 5/8th.
He was known for wearing black headgear and his universal love.
Let's talk about facts. Beaver is unique to this series because we have to look at two different types of games. He had a massive career in the NRL which lasted 349 games. This is from 280 games with the Manly Sea Eagles and 69 games with the Northern Eagles. On top of that, he went and played in England for another 128 games. That is 57 games with the Bradford Bulls and 71 games with the Catanlans Dragons. He scored a total of 180 tries in Australia and 58 tries in England making his strike rate of about 0.52 in Australia, 0.45 in England and about 0.50 all through out his career. While he was in Australia, he played 196 of his 349 games starting in the second row, 90 games at lock, 21 games at centre, 17 games from 5/8th
and 25 games from the bench. In England, he started in the second row in 48 games, 34 at centre, 28 at lock, 9 at 5/8th
and 9 on the bench. Over his entire career, he kicked 2/3 with the book. 1/2 in Australia and 1/1 in England.
|Game number ||Opponent ||Venue ||Round ||Date ||Position |
|1st RL/NRL/Manly ||Broncos ||LOTTOLAND ||13 ||June 26th 1993 ||Bench |
|50th RL/NRL/Manly ||Magpies ||Campbelltown Stadium ||21 ||August 19th 1995 ||Centre |
|100th RL/NRL/Manly ||Rabbitohs ||LOTTOLAND ||22 ||August 31st 1997 ||Second Row |
|150th RL/NRL/Manly* ||Dragons ||Wollongong Showground ||26 ||August 28th 1999 ||Centre |
|1st Northern Eagles ||Knights ||Grahame Park ||1 ||Feburary 6th 2000 ||Second Row |
|200th RL/NRL/50th Northern Eagles ||Roosters ||LOTTOLAND ||4 ||April 7th 2002 ||Lock |
|69th Northern Eagles** ||Panthers ||LOTTOLAND ||26 ||September 8th 2002 ||Lock |
|1st Back at Manly ||Cowboys ||Willows Sports Complex ||1 ||March 22nd ||Lock |
|250th RL/NRL ||Dragons ||LOTTOLAND ||9 ||May 9th 2004 ||Lock |
|200th Manly ||Storm ||LOTTOLAND ||3 ||March 27th 2005 ||Second Row |
|300th RL/NRL ||Panthers ||Penrith Park ||13 ||June 4th 2006 ||Second Row |
|250th Manly ||Rabbitohs ||LOTTOLAND ||23 ||August 20th 2007 ||Centre |
|Final NRL/Manly ||Storm ||ANZ Stadium ||Grand Final ||October 5th 2008 ||Bench |
|350th RL/1st SL/Bradford ||Hull Kingston Rovers ||Odsal ||1 ||February 15th 2009 ||Second Row |
|50th SL/Bradford ||Catalans Dragons ||Odsal ||24 ||August 1st 2010 ||5/8th |
|400th RL ||St Helens ||Knowsley Road ||25 ||August 13th 2010 ||Centre |
|53th Bradford*** ||Wigan Warriors ||JJB Stadium ||27 ||September 3rd 2010 ||Centre |
|1st Catalans ||Harlequinns RL ||Millennium Stadium ||1 ||February 12th 2011 ||Bench |
|450th RL ||Bradford Bulls ||Stade Gilbert Brutus ||27 ||September 8th 2012 ||Bench |
|100th SL ||Wakefield Trinity Wildcats ||Stade Gilbert Brutus ||5 ||March 2nd 2013 ||Centre |
|50th Catalans ||Bradford Bulls ||Stade Gilbert Brutus ||8 ||March 23rd 2013 ||Centre |
|Final RL/SL/Catalans ||Hull FC ||KCOM Stadium ||Elemination Playoff ||September 13th 2013 ||Centre |
- Final game in his first stint at Manly
** Final game for the Northern Eagles
*** Final game for the Bradford Bulls
He had a number of seasons that ranged from successful and failures. Started from barely playing in any games in his first NRL season to winning the comp 40-0 in his final season. Here's a break down of his seasons in Australia and England.
|Year ||Team ||Games ||Tries (Goals) ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Win Rate ||Ladder (Finals if there) |
|1993 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||6 ||0 ||0 ||6-0-0 ||100% ||4th (QF) |
|1994 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||23 ||16 ||64 ||16-1-6 ||69.57% ||4th (QF)* |
|1995 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||25 ||22 ||88 ||22-0-3 ||88% ||1st (GF)** |
|1996 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||24 ||20 ||80 ||20-0-4 ||83.33% ||1st (WIN)* |
|1997 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||25 ||13 ||52 ||17-2-6 ||68% ||1st (GF) |
|1998 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||25 ||20 ||80 ||13-0-12 ||52% ||10th* |
|1999 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||22 ||13 ||52 ||9-1-12 ||40.91% ||13th* |
|2000 ||Northern Eagles ||24 ||6 ||24 ||9-0-15 ||37.50% ||12th |
|2001 ||Northern Eagles ||23 ||12 ||48 ||9-0-14 ||39.13% ||10th |
|2002 ||Northern Eagles ||22 ||11 ||44 ||9-0-13 ||40.91% ||9th* |
|2003 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||24 ||7 ||28 ||7-0-17 ||29.17% ||14th |
|2004 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||23 ||8 ||32 ||9-0-14 ||39.13% ||13th |
|2005 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||23 ||7 ||28 ||12-0-11 ||52.17% ||8th (QF) |
|2006 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||19 ||4 ||16 ||9-0-10 ||47.37% ||5th (PF) |
|2007 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||25 ||8 (1/1) ||34 ||10-0-5 ||66.67% ||2nd (GF) |
|2008 ||Manly Warringah Sea Eagles ||26 ||13 (0/1) ||52 ||19-0-7 ||73.08% ||2nd (WIN) |
|2009 ||Bradford Bulls ||26 ||12 ||48 ||11-0-14 ||42.31% ||9th |
|2009 ||Bradford Bulls (CC) ||1 ||1 ||4 ||0-0-1 ||0% ||N/a |
|2010 ||Bradford Bulls ||27 ||11 (1/1) ||46 ||9-1-17 ||33.33% ||10th* |
|2010 ||Bradford Bulls (CC) ||3 ||3 ||12 ||2-0-1 ||66.67% ||N/a |
|2011 ||Catalans Dragons ||23 ||14 ||56 ||13-0-10 ||56.52% ||6th (PF) |
|2012 ||Catalans Dragons ||19 ||8 ||32 ||12-0-7 ||63.16 ||4th (PF) |
|2012 ||Catalans Dragons (CC) ||3 ||1 ||4 ||2-0-1 ||66.67 ||N/a |
|2013 ||Catalans Dragons ||25 ||8 ||32 ||12-2-11 ||48% ||7th (QF) |
|2013 ||Catalans Dragons (CC) ||1 ||0 ||0 ||0-0-1 ||0% ||N/a |
|Total ||4 Teams ||447 ||238 (2) ||952 ||257-6-220 ||61.52% ||N/a |
- Denotes when he was the top try scorer for the club.
** Denotes when he was the top try scorer for the season.
It's an extensive career for good ole Beaver. Having a 61% career win rate is impressive to have. Not to mention having the experiences of Australia and England. Taking about experiences, let's look at he's club exeriences. These will be split between the four teams he's played for.
MANLY WARRINGAH SEA EAGLES
|Teams ||Games ||Tries (Goals) ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Other Information (Hat Tricks and Games Outside of Second Row) |
|Adelaide Rams ||2 ||3 ||12 ||2-0-0 ||1 Hat Trick |
|Balmain Tigers ||9 ||6 ||24 ||6-0-3 ||1 Hat Trick |
|Brisbane Broncos ||15 ||2 ||8 ||8-1-6 ||1 x Bench, 1 x Centre, 2 x Lock |
|Canberra Raiders ||17 ||9 ||36 ||7-0-10 ||1 x Centre, 2 x 5/8th, 3 x Lock |
|Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs ||16 ||5 ||20 ||5-0-11 ||2 x Centre, 2 x Lock |
|Cronulla Sharks ||20 ||11 ||44 ||10-0-10 ||2 x Centre, 3 x Bench, 5 x Lock |
|Gold Coast Chargers ||8 ||7 ||28 ||6-1-1 ||N/a |
|Gold Coast Titans ||2 ||1 ||4 ||2-0-0 ||1 x Lock |
|Illawarra Steelers ||8 ||4 ||16 ||6-2-0 ||1 x Bench |
|Melbourne Storm ||12 ||3 ||12 ||4-0-8 ||2 x Bench, 2 x 5/8th, 3 x Lock |
|Newcastle Knights ||22 ||6 (1/1) ||26 ||14-0-8 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Lock, 2 x Centre, 4 x Bench |
|North Queensland Cowboys ||12 ||5 ||20 ||8-0-4 ||1 x Bench, 1 x Centre, 2 x 5/8th, 3 x Lock |
|North Sydney Bears ||10 ||5 ||20 ||7-0-3 ||1 x Bench |
|Parramatta Eels ||18 ||7 ||28 ||10-0-8 ||2 x Bench, 2 x Centre, 4 x Lock |
|Penrith Panthers ||15 ||7 ||28 ||9-0-6 ||2 x 5/8th, 4 x Lock |
|St. George Dragons ||7 ||6 ||24 ||7-0-0 ||N/a |
|St. George Illawarra Dragons ||12 ||3 (0/1) ||12 ||3-0-9 ||1 x Bench, 1 x 5/8th, 2 x Centre, 4 x Lock |
|South Queensland Crushers ||4 ||2 ||8 ||4-0-0 ||N/a |
|South Sydney Rabbitohs ||22 ||24 ||96 ||18-0-4 ||2 Hat Tricks, 2 x 5/8th, 2 x Bench, 2 x Lock, 4 x Centre |
|Sydney Roosters ||18 ||9 ||36 ||11-0-7 ||1 Hat Trick, 1 x Centre, 2 x Bench, 4 x Lock |
|New Zealand Warriors ||13 ||7 ||28 ||9-0-4 ||1 Hat Trick, 2 x Bench, 3 x 5/8th, 3 x Lock |
|Western Reds ||2 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-1 ||N/a |
|Western Suburbs Magpies ||8 ||10 ||40 ||7-0-6 ||1 Hat Trick, 1 x Bench, 1 x Centre |
|West Tigers ||8 ||7 ||28 ||5-0-3 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Bench, 4 x Lock |
|Total ||280 ||151 (1/2) ||606 ||169-4-111 (65.68%) ||7 Hat Tricks, 17 x 5/8th, 19 x Centre, 24 x Bench, 47 x Lock, 173 x Second Row |
|Teams ||Games ||Tries ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Other Information (Hat Tricks and Games Outside of Second Row) |
|Brisbane Broncos ||5 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-4 ||1 x Centre, 3 x Lock |
|Canberra Raiders ||4 ||2 ||8 ||3-0-1 ||1 x Centre, 2 x Lock |
|Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs ||5 ||3 ||12 ||1-0-4 ||4 x Lock |
|Cronulla Sharks ||5 ||0 ||0 ||1-0-4 ||3 x Lock |
|Melbourne Storm ||4 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-4 ||2 x Lock |
|Newcastle Knights ||6 ||2 ||8 ||3-0-3 ||4 x Lock |
|North Queensland Cowboys ||5 ||0 ||0 ||3-0-2 ||1 x Bench, 2 x Lock |
|Parramatta Eels ||6 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-5 ||4 x Lock |
|Penrith Panthers ||5 ||2 ||8 ||3-0-2 ||3 x Lock |
|St. George Illawarra Dragons ||6 ||2 ||8 ||4-0-2 ||4 x Lock |
|South Sydney Rabbitohs ||1 ||0 ||0 ||0-0-1 ||1 x Lock |
|Sydney Roosters ||6 ||5 ||20 ||3-0-3 ||4 x Lock |
|New Zealand Warriors ||6 ||5 ||20 ||1-0-5 ||3 x Lock |
|West Tigers ||5 ||3 ||12 ||2-0-3 ||4 x Lock |
|Total ||69 ||29 ||116 ||27-0-42 (39.13%) ||1 x Bench, 2 x Centre, 23 x Second Row, 43 x Lock |
|Teams ||Games ||Tries ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Other Information (Hat Tricks and Games Outside of Second Row) |
|Castleford Tigers ||4 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-3 ||3 x Lock |
|Catalans Dragons ||5 ||5 ||20 ||3-0-2 ||1 x 5/8th, 3 x Lock |
|Celtic Crusaders ||4 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-3 ||3 x Lock |
|Dewsbury Rams ||1 ||0 ||0 ||1-0-0 ||1 x Centre |
|Huddersfield Giants ||4 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-3 ||3 x Lock |
|Hull FC ||4 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-3 ||3 x Lock |
|Hull Kingston Rovers ||4 ||0 ||0 ||1-1-2 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Bench, 1 x Lock |
|Leeds Rhinos ||4 ||2 ||8 ||1-1-2 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Lock |
|Leigh Centurions ||1 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-0 ||1 x Centre |
|London Broncos ||4 ||2 ||8 ||2-0-2 ||1 x Centre, 3 x Lock |
|St Helens ||4 ||0 ||0 ||1-0-3 ||1 x Lock, 3 x Centre |
|Salford City Reds ||4 ||2 ||8 ||2-0-2 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Lock |
|Wakefield Trinity Wildcats ||5 ||7 ||28 ||4-0-1 ||1 x 5/8th, 2 x Lock |
|Warrington Wolves ||5 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-4 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Lock, 3 x Centre |
|Wigan Warriors ||4 ||1 (1/1) ||6 ||1-0-3 ||1 x Lock, 2 x Centre |
|Total ||57 ||27 (1/1) ||110 ||22-2-33 (38.60%) ||1 x Bench, 5 x 5/8th, 10 x Centre, 14 x Second Row, 27 x Lock |
|Teams ||Games ||Tries ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Other Information (Hat Tricks and Games Outside of Second Row) |
|Bradford Bulls ||5 ||1 ||4 ||5-0-0 ||1 x 5/8th, 2 x Bench, 2 x Centre |
|Castleford Tigers ||5 ||2 ||8 ||3-1-1 ||1 x Bench, 2 x Centre |
|Celtic Crusaders ||2 ||0 ||0 ||2-0-0 ||N/a |
|Huddersfield Giants ||3 ||0 ||0 ||1-0-2 ||N/a |
|Hull FC ||6 ||1 ||4 ||3-0-3 ||2 x Centre |
|Hull Kingston Rovers ||7 ||5 ||20 ||5-0-2 ||1 x 5/8th, 1 x Bench, 1 x Centre |
|Leeds Rhinos ||5 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-4 ||1 5/8th, 2 x Centre |
|London Broncos ||6 ||3 ||12 ||5-0-1 ||2 x Bench, 2 x Centre |
|St Helens ||6 ||3 ||12 ||2-0-4 ||1 x 5/8th, 2 x Centre |
|Salford City Reds ||5 ||3 ||12 ||2-0-3 ||1 x Bench, 2 x Centre |
|Sheffield Eagles ||1 ||1 ||4 ||1-0-0 ||N/a |
|Wakefield Trinity Wildcats ||3 ||2 ||8 ||2-0-1 ||1 x Centre |
|Warrington Wolves ||7 ||5 ||20 ||2-0-5 ||2 x Centre |
|Widnes Vikings ||3 ||1 ||4 ||2-1-0 ||3 x Centre |
|Wigan Warriors ||7 ||3 ||12 ||3-0-4 ||1 x Bench, 2 x Centre |
|Total ||71 ||31 ||124 ||37-2-32 (52.11%) ||1 x Lock, 4 x 5/8th, 7 x Bench, 23 x Centre, 36 x Second Row |
That took much longer than I thought it would take. Looking at his history in the English comp was someone confusing but interesting. Clearly, he was most successful at Manly, followed by Catalans, Northan Eagles and then Bradford. He had a rep career as well. It was small but mostly successful.
|Teams ||Games ||Tries ||Points ||Win-Draw-Loss ||Other Information (Hat Tricks and Games Outside of Second Row) |
|Queensland ||20 ||4 ||16 ||9-1-10 ||14 x Bench |
|NSW Country ||8 ||2 ||8 ||4-0-4 ||3 x Lock |
|New Zealand ||9 ||5 ||20 ||8-0-1 ||4 x Bench |
|England ||2 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-1 ||N/a |
|Great Britian ||1 ||0 ||0 ||1-0-0 ||1 x Bench |
|Fiji ||1 ||2 ||8 ||1-0-0 ||N/a |
|Total ||41 ||15 ||60 ||24-1-16 (58.54%) ||3 x Lock, 19 x Bench, 19 x Second Row |
Having around a 58% win rate in rep football is nice. He didn't have a long rep career and didn't have to face as many different countries like Lockyer or Smith. Going back to club land, something that is known about Menzies is his try scoring abilities. He was a forward for the most part. He played over 81% (or 286 games) of his Australian career was spent in either Lock or Second Row. This is incredible that he has scored more tries than about 99% of all NRL players and he was a forward for most of it. Just as point of reference, this is the top 5 try scoring forwards to score 100 tries.
- Steve Menzies: 180 (1993 - 2008), Rank: 3
- Frank Burge: 146 (1911 - 1927), Rank 13
- Bob McCarthy: 119 (1963 - 1978), Rank: 42
- Luke Lewis: 118 (2001 - 2017)* **, Rank: 44
- ... That's it really.
** Luke Lewis started as a back and scored most of his points there but he has played more games as a forward so I'm adding him.
Rank is based on the top try scoring list with more than 100 tries. It still shows how impressive Steve was as a try scorer. But how does his try scoring abilities compare between the 42 teams he's played against?
Yeah... nah. I'm not doing a Top 42 list and run this longer. I will link to the whole 42 on a list in another document if you want to see it but here is the Top 5 at least.
- Leigh Centurians = 2 (2 tries from 1 game)
- Adelaide Rams = 1.5 (3 tries from 2 games)
- Western Suburbs Magpies = 1.25 (10 from 8 games)
- Wakefield Trinity Wildcats = 1.12 (9 from 8 games)
- South Sydney Rabbitohs = 1.04 (24 from 23 games)
Rest of the list at the bottom, Or you can click this link here.
Time for the final part of my look back and that is some random facts about the player... with a twist. On Saturday when I started researching this (See, I was intending on doing this while I was sick but didn't get it to come out until Tuesday.) I put a message in the 'Saturday Random Footy Talk Thread' and I told people about me doing this and for them to give their opinions on Steve. And we have a couple of comments so I thank you few for finding it and replying to it. u/fishwinga
said "Menzies best headgear wearing player." I'm sure Johnathan Thurston's fan girls will disagree with that comment but there is no doubting that Menzies was one of the greatest. u/ChristmasJoke
said "Whenever your side was playing against Menzies you just had to expect that he'd score at least once." And for the most part this is true. Of course at the Northern Eagles, this wasn't the case with the Cowboys and Sharks and over in England this because less accurate. But while at Manly, this was true and he scored against everyone, even the Titans and the Reds who he only played twice.
Finally, we have u/Peyote-Pete
who said "He's one of the rare players that manages to be well respected despite being very talented without alienating a portion of the NRL. And he somehow did it while playing for aguably one of the most hated sports teams in Australia." He also had a part talking about Tall Poppy Syndrome but i'm not going to explain it here. He does have a point though. Also to the user who replied to that comment, yes, people hate the Northern Eagles. Mainly because they ruined the Bears. He also played for Manly who everyone loves to hate.
Anyway, back to the facts. He won many awards in his time playing rugby league. He won the Dally M Rookie of the Year in 1994, he won Dally M Second Rower of the Year multiple times in 1994, 1995 and 1998, he won Dally M Lock of the Year in 2002 and he won the Brad Fittler Medal in 2006. He was actually gunning for a came back when he returned from England and said in an interview on November 7, 2013. "I'm getting a bit old and slow but if something happens and Manly asked me, how could I refuse?" This came when he revealed he would play for them, even if the contract was $1 (Dean Ritchie, Daily Telegraph, 2013). He supposed got the nickname 'Beaver' from an old TV show called 'Leave it to Beaver' and the team thought he looked like one of the characters. This is what most people think it means. Apparently, this nickname came from the family and not the team. On top of that, in a 2008 interview with Sydney Morning Herald, he said that his mom told him the family called him Stevie and then changed it to Beavie one day and it just stayed. But idk, Steve and Jerry Masters (The guy who played Beaver in the show) do look a like, but i'll let you guys be the judge of that.
(Also, apparently, typing Steve Menzie into Google Images have some random guy pop up, but add an 's' and you get our boy here). Going back to the 2013 article about him still playing... he kinda is. In 2014, the first Auckland Nines tournament was held and Steve was one of the legendary players to make a small comeback. He joined Brad Fittler as the only 2 legend players that tournament. Other than that. Back in April of this year, he played for Warringah's fifth grade rugby team playing against Northern Suburbs where he got to play with his brother, Josh Gerrard. In the recently annouced 'Legends of League' competition, Steve was annouced to be playing and captaining the Manly side that hosts some excellent ex players like Cliff Lyons, Travis Burns and Heath L'Estrange. And finally, properly the most L'Estrange way he's been getting his rugby kick was again back in April, he was selected for the Classic Wallabies for the Hong Kong Tens as a wildcard and he played. He may have been earing the #19 and without his classic headgear but Steve played decently well and even scored a try against the GoCloudWifi East Africans.
And there you go. Steve Menzies. I apologise again for being late with this, sickness and laziness got the best of me (I started writing this on Monday). This one has had probably the most research out of all of my write ups only because i had to look at the English comp as well. Thank you guys for your support with these. See you guys next week.
Rugby League Project: http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/
Wikipedia (No shame): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Menzies
Top 42 list: https://anotepad.com/notes/ekghck
Daily Telegraph Article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/id-play-again-for-1-contract-reveals-manly-sea-eagles-legend-steve-menzies/news-story/559e16cd578f51bbc9b9e9ecd61961d6
Sydney Morning Herald Article:http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/ive-been-living-a-lie/2007/09/21/1189881771874.html
Steve or Jerry? Who's Who?: https://imgur.com/a/LQXhk
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2017.03.01 22:21 adomental [Mod Post] Start of 2017 Season Post
It's the start of another season and we are anticipating another big year. The growth of this subreddit has been enormous over the last few years. We had roughly 8,000 subscribers this time last year, and this year we are closing in on 12,000.
Given we’ve got so many new users, we'd like to post a gentle reminder to our new users about the community standards of /NRL
. In jokes and general stuff
I’m going to make the same request we did last year and ask for us to let our old jokes die. There’s nothing less funny than an overused joke.
For example, old jokes like Cam Smith= Hitler (which stems from a 60 Minutes episode back in 2015) and Parramatta's "surely it can't get any worse" are well are truly past their use-by-date.
Unfortunately, the two best jokes in Rugby League, Cronulla’s lack of premierships and Parramatta’s board, both died last year too, so we’re going to have to be more inventive.
The Dragons still suck so we've still got them to make fun of, thank god. Rumours
We try to remove unverified rumours as best we can, but because of lot of stories are broken on Twitter nowadays, we’ve had to rejig what we remove. Basically if they are a journalist who works for a major news organisation like 7 News, ABC, Newcastle Herald, etc, we will accept tweets from them as news. If it’s just some random twitter account with 500 or less followers we will remove it. The LurkeMole will be discounted as primary sources as well. Arguing
We are a community built around Rugby League which means we attract people from all kinds of political and social views. Occasionally broader social and do get discussed here, and that is a good thing in a way. Most places these discussions happen on the internet are in echo-chambers so people are never exposed to new ideas, they just have old ones re enforced. Don't be a dick though and if you haven't changed their mind by a few comments down, you never will, so know when to give up. And keep in mind we are an NRL forum so comments that go excessively off-topic may be removed. 2016 Dally Rs
The winners of last year's Dally R's (the best of /NRL
for 2016) all get their month of free reddit gold, so can you all please make some stupid comment to this thread so I can guild it for you? Full results of the awards are here ReggieBasil honestjackhonestly Spoonyjim thephoenixfoundation Keith_Sheldon AttackClown DeathByDropBear kami_inu thril_hou StorminRed ReggieBasil In Conclusion
Be nice to each other, even to Dragon's fans. They're going to need a bit of love this year. Be nice to all the Tiger's fans, you never know when they'll pass on a good tip. Guess what? Manly needs love too. Be kind to Cronulla now they are on the Down, Down. Tell a Bronco you're sorry to hear their mum and dad split up. Buy a Bulldog a HSP. Tell a Melbourne fan it's ok if Slater never comes back, he had a good run. Tell a Rabbitoh you're still proud of them, even if they're not the pride of the league any more. Let the Raiders have their exciting team, they have to put up with the boredom of Canberra as a city. Refrain from telling a Cowboy how close JT is to the end of his career. Remember a Titan. Remind a Warrior that Origin will eventually make things easier for them. Post an old Knight's highlight on TBT every once in awhile.
Don't worry about us though. It's the year of the Rooster! We don't need your pity.
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2017.02.14 02:05 qetaz Delta Goodrem: Introducing an Australian Pop Legend
So this took me a looong time to type out. Hopefully you guys can also find some time to read/listen to some (and hopefully all) of the songs I’ve linked!
The current Trevor Project initiative
(go donate!) means that I got to pick a flair, and I thought that I’d take the opportunity to educate everyone about Australian LEDGEND and one of my all-time favourite artists, Delta Goodrem. Before we dive into her discography/life story, some fun facts:
• She has NINE number one singles in Australia, the sixth most number one singles in Australian history (behind The Beatles, Elvis, Madonna, one true Kylie, and Rihanna)
• She achieved the first number one in 2002, and the latest in 2015. #careerlongevity
• She has an additional seven top-ten and five top-40 singles.
• She (co-)writes the overwhelming majority of her songs, and also plays the piano on most her tracks.
• She’s an ambassador for several charities, including the Starlight foundation
and the Kinghorn Cancer Centre.
• She’s a supporter of the LGBT community. EARLY LIFE, EARLY MUSIC, AND THE SILVER SCREEN
Delta was born on the 9th of November, 1984. She grew up in the suburbs of Sydney with her Mum, Dad, and younger brother. Her career started early when she signed an artist development deal at the age of 14, then worked on a self-titled album throughout 1999 and 2000, which was never released. At 15, she signed with Sony and in November of 2001 she released her first single, I Don’t Care
. This Angel Via cover only hit 64 on the Australian singles chart, and as a result Delta’s career temporarily changed direction.
In 2002, she was cast as Nina Tucker in the soap opera Neighbours
. As well as earning her a Logie Award (think Australian Emmys) for Most Popular New Talent, this gave her a vehicle to showcase her singing and song-writing across Australia and the UK. Her not-debut-but-might-as-well-be single Born to Try
premiered on the show, and ended up reaching number one in Australia and number three in the UK. Which brings us to… INNOCENT EYES
Did someone say best seller? This is the fourth best-selling album of all time
in Australia. It was the best-selling album of 2003, 2004, and the decade. It spent 29 consecutive weeks at number one,
which means it has the record for the most consecutive weeks at number one and ties fifth for the most total weeks at number one on the Australian albums chart. EVERY. ONE. of the five singles released from this album hit number one. Innocent Eyes
unsurprisingly holds the record of most number one singles from a single album. Innocent Eyes
is an unashamedly piano pop album which deftly maneuverers between ballad, bubble-gum and rock-edged. It’s one of my all-time favourite albums. But I’ll let those 5 number-one singles do the talking:
• Born to Try
An inspirational ballad set to a music video full of fashion… choices, it remains one of Delta’s signature songs. Great for belting in the shower!
• Lost Without You
A catchy up-tempo breakup ballad- it’s one of my favourites from the album. You’ll notice in the video that she takes her shoes off to play the piano. Delta never plays piano with her shoes on and often kicks them off in performances even when she’s just singing. Like Adele, except Delta did it first ;)
• Innocent Eyes
Another ballad… if you’re sick of them, skip to the last song on this list. This one fits in quite well with the current “nostalgia” trend, except that (in my opinion) it does it much better than anything released in the past few years. Lyrically it talks about the transition from childhood to young adulthood, and sonically it’s a lot like Born to Try
with an ever so slightly darker edge.
• Not Me, Not I
Despite the three autobiographical ballads proceeding this, Not Me, Not I is the first song on the list I’d describe as “vulnerable”. It’s softer and sweeter-sounding than its predecessors. Fun fact: this was co-written by Take That’s Gary Barlow.
Delta lifts the tempo in this catchy rock-edged kiss-off. It’s one of my favourites of hers, and a nice change of pace in the middle of the album. CANCER BATTLE
Delta’s career had just reached the stratosphere when her world came crashing down around her: at the age of 18, she was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a form of blood cancer
. Her career was immediately put on hold as she underwent chemotherapy (that’s why there’s no music video for Predictable
). She was constantly fatigued, lost weight, had a fever, was covered in a full body rash, and her hair, including eyebrows and lashes, fell out from chemotherapy. She underwent chemo for 8 months and then an additional 2 months of radiotherapy before going into remission. However, her weakened immune system lasted several more years- for example, she was hospitalised several more times for kidney infections. DELTA GOES DARK
Unsurprisingly, this period in her life meant that Delta’s next album, Mistaken Identity, was much darker than her debut both thematically and sonically.
It was less commercially successful than her juggernaut debut, but hardly a failure: it still hit number one on the Australian album charts, was the 13th best-selling album of 2004 and the 30th best-selling album of 2005, and produced two number one singles.
• Mistaken Identity
The album’s title track and second single, and a strong contender for the title of my favourite Delta song. It’s theatrical, moody, and a strong break from her girl-next-door image- facts which meant Delta had to fight her record company in order to get it released. They were right in a way, because it broke her incredible streak of six chart-topping singles, but it still hit a respectable 7th place on the singles chart, and earned her a lot more critical respect.
• The Analyst
An album track which deserved better handling. This tones down the theatrics of Mistaken Identity
but keeps the moodiness. It was co-written by Cathy Dennis- if you don’t know her, you should- she also co-wrote Can’t Get You Out of my Head and
• Out of the Blue Mistaken Identity’s
lead single, and the last song in Delta’s incredible streak of six consecutive number one singles. It’s a cute ballad thanking her then-boyfriend Mark Philippoussis for his support during her illness. It sounds most similar to Not Me, Not I
• Almost Here
(featuring Brian McFadden) Another day, another number one… SELF TITLED
It took Delta three years to release a third album. In the interim, she had headlined her first tour around Australia, put out Together We Are One,
an inspirational anthem for the 2006 Commonwealth games, and starred in a (sadly terrible) film called Hating Alison Ashley
. When the album was released, she had been seeing then-boyfriend Brian McFadden for three years and would shortly become engaged to him. As a result, this album features many more upbeat “pure pop” songs, although there are still plenty of her hallmark ballads. Let’s dive in:
• In This Life
This happy, easy-to-singalong “piano romp” gave Delta her eighth Australian number one. It’s not my favourite in her discography, but it puts a smile on my face and I’ll find myself humming it later in the day.
• Believe Again
The lyrics are optimistic but the tone is dark, carrying over the moody sound from the Mistaken Identity
era with added electronic influence. This music video was her most expensive to date and looks it. This is Delta with sex appeal.
• You Will Only Break My Heart
The tone is upbeat and the lyrics are feisty. Billboard calls it a “frolicking reggae finger-snapper”. I don’t know about the reggae, but it’s a finger-snapper for sure.
• I Can’t Break It to My Heart
I know I promised bubble-gum optimism, but this breakup ballad is too relatable and vulnerable for me to not showcase it. It’s possibly an unpopular opinion, but I genuinely think this is one of the best breakup songs ever. It’s a crime this only hit #13 on the charts. CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE
Despite the positive critical reception and usual standout sales which her self-titled album received, it was a long five years before we got her fourth offering, Child of the Universe
. In the interim, she’d headlined a tour, supported Andrea Bocelli on his
tour, joined the juding panel for The Voice Australia, and sadly broken up with her fiancé and boyfriend of seven years, Brian McFadden. She also performed at the Australian launch of Michael Jackson’s This Is It DVD- the only reason I mention this is that I WAS IN THE CHOIR WHICH SUNG HER BACKUP HIGHLIGHT OF MY LIFE. It was an amazing experience and I also got to meet Jackie Jackson and he gave me a hug. #jelbooslifegoals Anyway I digress. The long break and a mediocre first single, Sitting on Top of the World,
ensured lower than usual sales, with the album peaking at- GASP- number two on the charts. Nevertheless, there is some gold in this album.
Another underappreciated album track, this is in my top-5 favourite Delta songs. It’s a catchy pop-rock track which goes OFF live. Lyrically, Delta paints evocative vignettes of moments in her life- some significant and some seemingly mundane, and talks about the power of e·mo·tion and the impact everyone can have on the world. I’m doing a terrible job of describing this, just listen to it.
• I Wish You Were Here
This song is about Delta losing one of her closest friends in a motorbike accident. Delta believes it’s the best song she’s ever written, and I think it’s up there. "I tried a million different ways to write this song. I had to have a song about this moment in my life of losing one of my best friends. Then on his actual birthday, it was two years later, I said I’m not leaving this day without having the song about it. You can try a million ways, I wrote probably 20 songs about it, and then on his actual birthday, I wrote this song."
• Safe to Believe
This song showcases an incredible range and powerhouse vocals. Several reviews I’ve seen call it Mariah-esque. THAT TIME WHEN DELTA DID SO MUCH BETWEEN ALBUMS IT NEEDED ITS OWN SECTION
• Delta goes dance: Delta first tried a clubby sound with Dancing With a Broken Heart
, the second single from Child of the Universe
, which is pretty much universally acknowledged as being one of her worst songs. She gave it a second shot with a non-album single Heart Hypnotic
in 2013. Co-penned by Ryan Tedder, this found praise among critics but didn’t stick with the public.
• Delta on Tour: as well as headlining another of her own tours, Delta again supported Andrea Bocelli on tour, and also supported Ricky Martin on the Australian leg of his tour.
• In an initiative tied to the Bocelli tour, Delta released Love, Thy Will Be Done,
a Martika cover
• In 2012, she released a Christmas EP, simply called Christmas
• She was a judge on the Voice Australia in 2012, 2013, and 2015, and The Voice Kids in 2014
• Throughout 2015, she played Grizabella in Cats. This is her singing Memory
at a Sydney concert (not Cats) which I attended. The quality of the recording isn’t the best but stick it out; even my friend who I had to drag
to the concert had goosebumps at this point. WINGS OF THE WILD
This album marked Delta’s commercial return to form and her fourth number one album. Let’s get to it:
Third time lucky: this dance anthem was a hit with the critics and public alike, with several reviewers calling it a “return to form”. This became her ninth and latest chart-topper.
• The River
This pop-rock song is pure theatrical Delta- lyrically, it tells the story of a woman murdering a cheating partner. The musical theatre influence is clear in the lyrics and less obviously in the arrangement of the song.
(featuring Gizzle) This is not my personal style, but I’ve chosen to include it because it showcases Delta experimenting with a completely new style: hip-hop. I’d appreciate an opinion on this from any hiphopheads actually!
• I Believe in a Thing Called Love
There are some beautiful ballads on this album- Dear Life
wouldn’t sound out of place on her debut, or yet another vehicle for her amazing vocals in Heavy
- but I’ve chosen to showcase her show stopping acoustic cover of The Darkness’ I Believe In a Thing Called Love
. This song has a special meaning to Delta because she performed it at her brother’s wedding. I think that it’s the perfect note on which to finish the album, and my recommendations.
Thank you if you read through all of this! I hope I’ve made a Delta fan of you- flairs that way >>>>>
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2016.11.02 11:40 Wardenclyffe56 Antinatalism in the wild: news writer does a column about how drug addicts should be sterilized to prevent shitty lifes for those kids, gets some sort of backlash
Here's the article but it's behind a paywall
, so good luck with that. A picture of the article.
The article spread like peanut butter jelly though. Here's the Daily Mail talking about it
, and two Aussie websites, one called Mama Mia
, the other one called Starts at 60
Here's a twitter conversation talking about it, and the "backlash" mentioned in the title: https://twitter.com/JamColley/status/791014771537555457 archived
This is not new though. Looking for other sources that could talk about the article, I found this:
Why Drug Addicts Are Getting Sterilized for Cash, dated 17 of April, 2010.
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?, dated 12 of June, 2010.
Is it legal to sterilize addicts?, dated 9 of February, 2011.
There's even a non-profit organization in the U.S. exactly for that. Project Prevention
is an American non-profit organization that pays drug addicts cash for volunteering for long-term birth control, including sterilization. Their website.
What do you think of the opinion piece and this whole subject? I know it wouldn't solve any immediate problems, but it's something.
What I hate the most is the whole twitter backlash. This is just another proof of how the "outside world" sees antinatalism, as a mockery at best, or some type of mass genocide at worst.
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2016.08.16 22:29 88vapor Bill Godshall - Executive Director of Smokefree PA - THR Update - 8/16/16
Blll G Update 8/16/16: Blog post if you would prefer to share outside of reddit
New study of 9,000+ US vapers finds implementation of FDA deeming rule could create black market for vaping products and drive users back to cigarettes, finds: - 69% of vapers would buy black market vapor products, - 66% of vapers would buy vapor products online from those not subject to deeming rule, - 65% of vapers would make their own e-liquids at home, - 72% of vapers would buy bulk quantities of vapor products, and - 15% of vapers would switch back to smoking cigarettes http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-study-of-e-cigarette-users-finds-implementation-of-fda-deeming-rule-could-create-a-black-market-for-vaping-products-and-drive-users-back-to-tobacco-300313440.html
UK Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology issues briefing on e-cigarettes http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/POST-PN-0533 http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/POST-PN-0533#fullreport
citing four key points:
- A growing body of evidence shows that e-cigarettes are much less harmful than tobacco.
- There is evidence showing that e-cigarettes can help smokers quit tobacco.
- Current evidence suggests that e-cigarettes do not encourage tobacco smoking among non-smokers or children.
- Public perceptions of harm are changing: 25% of the UK public think that e-cigarettes present a risk of harm similar to that of tobacco smoking, compared with 7% in 2013.
New Farsalinos study of 7,000+ Malaysians finds two thirds of Malaysian vapers have quit smoking cigarettes http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/08/07/using-ecigs-to-quit-smoking/
NJOY to conduct clinical trial comparing short term effects of a Research ENDS product to those of cigarettes and Nicotrol https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02792426?term=NJOY&rank=6
THR Advocacy and Education
“A Billion Lives” global vaping doc makes US premiere in Milwaukee http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/abillionlives.html
"A Billion Lives" Director Aaron Biebert on The Herman Cain Radio Show https://youtu.be/q6XmoJyue3Q
Aaron Biebert Interviewed on NPR: Milwaukee Filmmaker Fights for "A Billion Lives" http://wuwm.com/post/milwaukee-filmmaker-fights-billion-lives#stream/0
Dave Sweanor: E-cigarettes a public health breakthrough http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/2016/08/11/e-cigarettes-a-public-health-breakthrough
Colin Mendelsohn: If teens are going to smoke, better it be an e-cigarette http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/if-teens-are-going-to-smoke-better-it-be-an-ecigarette/news-story/51027cb35a4f1f4e7b63144834f56722
Brad Rodu: A Smokelesss History Lesson for Vaping Advocates http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-smokeless-history-lesson-for-vaping.html
Dr. Edward Anselm reviews the evidence on e-cigarettes http://www.edwardanselmmd.com/ecigarettes/
Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, the Child Accident Prevention Trust, London Fire and the Chief Fire Officers Association publish “Use of e-cigarettes (vaping) in the home: advice for parents” (UK) http://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/home-safety/vaping-in-the-home-advice-for-parents.pdf
Electronic Marlboro sucks Japanese smokers away from Japan Tobacco http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL3N1AT1YY?sp=true
FDA’s Cigarette Protecting Vapor Deeming Ban
Wells Fargo tobacco analyst Bonnie Herzog “Good for the Goose, Less for the Gander” http://vaping.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Good-For-the-Goose-Less-For-the-Gander-6.pdf
“While the final deeming e-cig regulation brings much needed structure and oversight to the e-cig/vapor category, there is little doubt that the cost and complexity of compliance overwhelmingly favor big tobacco (the goose) at the expense of smaller, less well funded players (the gander).” “Both MO & RAI appear well prepared to comply with the FDA’s deeming regs, if not benefit from potential category consolidation.” “We expect to see a continued shift in consumption of e-cigs/vapor back to combustible cigs as e-cig choices become more limited -- a net ‘win’ for big tobacco. This has continued to baffle us given the FDA’s public health priorities.” “As Is, Deeming Regs Are A Clear ‘Win’ For Big Tobacco, Not Necessarily Public Health – Our main concern remains that the final deeming e-cig regs will realistically stifle innovation, which could dramatically slow industry growth by dis-incentivizing consumer conversion from combustible cigs to e-cigs. This ultimately has a net negative impact on public health, which is clearly in direct opposition to the FDA’s goal.” "Bottom line – Whether intended to or not, we believe the FDA has effectively (even if inadvertently) engaged in a form of protectionism that favors big tobacco/combustible cigs, shielding the top players from incursions by smaller players and thereby stifling much-needed competition. "
Clive Bates: FDA shoots itself in foot, cigarette trade celebrates, public health loses – a summary in two quotes http://www.clivebates.com/?p=4278
Jacob Sullum: FDA e-cigarette regulations give smoking a boost http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/15/fda-e-cigarette-regulations-give-smoking
Holman Jenkins – The FDA’s Misguided Nicotine Crusade: Why is the agency trying to ban companies that have no role in smoking-related health problems? http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fdas-misguided-nicotine-crusade-1471040037
Joel Nitzkin: FDA’s e-cigarette rules are a public health hazard http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2016/08/11/fdas_e-cigarette_rules_are_a_public-health_hazard.html
Mike Siegel: FDA bans safety improvements in e-cigarettes and American Lung Association supports this unprecedented regulatory blunder http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2016/08/fda-bans-safety-improvements-in-e.html
Log Cabin Republicans Gregory Angelo: FDA’s cognitive dissonance on smoking http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/290523-fdas-cognitive-dissonance-on-smoking
Jacob Sullum: FDA assigns zero value to smokers who die because of its e-cigarette regulations http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2016/08/11/fda-assigns-zero-value-to-smokers-who-die-because-of-its-e-cigarette-regulations/#29bb6b4e913a
Michelle Minton: FDA’s asinine vaping rule costs lives https://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/aug/14/fdas-asinine-vaping-rule-costs-lives/
Caroline Kitchens: New FDA vaping regulations will harm public health http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/290920-new-fda-vaping-regulations-will-harm-public-health
SFATA issues statement on August 8, 2016 FDA Deeming Rule going into effect http://sfata.org/sfata-issues-statement-august-8-2016-fda-deeming-rule-going-effect/
Eric Boehm: The FDA’s new rules for e-cigarettes are already hurting vape shops http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/09/the-fdas-new-rules-for-e-cigarettes-are
Federal regulation of e-cigarettes already affecting local stores (CT) (article author repeats many false and misleading fear mongering claims about vaping) http://wtnh.com/2016/08/08/nationwide-ban-on-selling-e-cigarettes-begins-monday/
Sen. Johnson says FDA ‘Threatens to Crush’ E-cig Industry with New Rules https://morningconsult.com/alert/johnson-fda-threatens-crush-e-cig-industry-new-rules/
Senator Ron Johnson seeks answers on new e-cigarette regulations http://www.wrn.com/2016/08/johnson-seeks-answers-on-new-e-cigarette-regulations/
Clive Bates and 15 others (including Godshall) file amicus curiae brief in support of Nicopure Labs lawsuit challenging FDA vapor deeming ban that exposes FDA failure to quantify (or even acknowledge) >99% of the costs imposed by the rule, and failure to quantify any health or economic benefits of the rule (as none exist). http://www.clivebates.com/documents/THRamicibriefpublic.pdf
Clive Bates posts lawsuits and court filings challenging FDA Deeming Rule at http://www.clivebates.com/?p=3857#Nicopure
National Center for Public Policy Research and TechFreedom file amicus curiae brief in support of Nicopure Labs lawsuit challenging FDA vapor deeming ban http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-E-Cigarettes-Amicus_080516.html http://www.nationalcenter.org/Nicopure_Labs_v_FDA_amicus_0816.pdf http://secure.campaigner.com/csb/Public/show/c0j16--99hkp-uu5aam3
Kristen Frasch: Supporters of vaping, e-cigarettes fight back http://blog.hreonline.com/2016/08/08/supporters-of-vaping-e-cigarettes-fight-back/
American Vaping Association: August 8, 2016 – What does it mean for vaping? http://vaping.org/august-8-2016-mean-vaping/
CASAA: Make a call to stop FDA’s prohibition of vapor products http://cqrcengage.com/casaa/app/make-a-call?0&engagementId=234933
JAMA article quotes many DHHS funded vapor prohibitionists (who advocated FDA’s vapor deeming ban since 2011 despite being repeatedly informed it would ban all vapor products) now claiming they oppose a ban on vapor products. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2535261
E-cigarette makers rush new products to market ahead of US rules http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ecigarettes-idUSKCN10J14H
Give that man a cigar, but quick before the regulations kick in: To dodge regulation, producers rolled out hundreds of new smokes http://www.wsj.com/articles/to-dodge-rules-frenzied-cigar-makers-rolled-out-hundreds-of-new-varietiesincluding-green-ones-1471015448
Charlie Manato – Five Things: What the Aug. 8, 2016 FDA Date Means (Cigars) http://halfwheel.com/five-things-what-the-aug-8-2016-fda-date-means/127351
Cigar (and Vapor) Imports Met With New FDA Filing Requirement http://halfwheel.com/cigar-imports-met-with-new-fda-filing-requirement/127536 http://www.fda.gov/forindustry/importprogram/entryprocess/entrysubmissionprocess/default.htm
New FDA rules target Tampa’s cigar industry http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/186923845-story
FDA’s Mitch Zeller (who lobbied to ban all new smokefree alternatives as a GSK lobbyist) falsely touts the Deeming Regulation (that bans vapor product sales to US adults) as: Protecting the Public and Especially Kids from the Dangers of Tobacco Products, Including E-Cigarettes, Cigars and Hookah Tobacco http://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2016/08/protecting-the-public-and-especially-kids-from-the-dangers-of-tobacco-products-including-e-cigarettes-cigars-and-hookah-tobacco/
FDA lists 30 different Guidances that apply to newly deemed products, to purportedly help businesses comply (but actually encourage vapor companies to go out of business) http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/ucm281147.htm
FDA makes public 10 Webinars that apply to newly deemed products, to purportedly help businesses comply (but actually encourage vapor companies to go out of business) http://www.fda.gov/tobaccoproducts/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/ucm220111.htm
FDA begins CTPConnect to further promote FDA tobacco policy goals http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm516259.htm
Big Pharma shill CTFK’s Matt Myers praises FDA’s vapor sales ban to adults (that is likely to kill millions of vapers and tens of millions of smokers unless struck down by the courts or by Congress), lies about Cole bill (HR 2058) to keep vapor products legal for adults, urges FDA to impose more draconian rules that will kill more vapers and smokers. http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/press_releases/post/2016_08_08_fda
USA Today headline falsely states “Its about to get a lot harder for minors to vape” (as 48 states already ban e-cig sales to minors), but accurately quotes AVA’s Greg Conley “The bad news is that August 8th … marks the beginning of a two-year countdown to FDA prohibition of 99.9%+ of vapor products on the market.” http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/07/e-cigarette-regulations-set-go-into-effect/88362926/
CS Monitor article on FDA deeming repeats false claims by DHHS and other vapor prohibitionists as facts, but includes truthful statements by Mike Siegel and SFATA http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0809/FDA-bans-e-cigarette-sales-to-minors-Why-now
Article on FDA vapor deeming ban falsely claims East Tennessee State vapor opponent Hadii Mamudu is a “world-wide recognized expert” on vaping (TN) http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Health-Care/2016/08/09/Area-vape-shop-owners-and-tobacco-experts-at-odds-over-FDA-e-cigarette-regulations
FDA to conduct Risk Assessment – A Public Workshop on November 15/16, 2016 FDA seeks presenters and panelists (until Sept 30), speakers for the public comment period and registrants (until Oct 21). http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/NewsEvents/ucm515442.htm
FDA Supports Greater Access to Naloxone to Help Reduce Opioid Overdose Deaths, but bans lifesaving vapor products that help reduce cigarette diseases and deaths http://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2016/08/fda-supports-greater-access-to-naloxone-to-help-reduce-opioid-overdose-deaths/
FDA issues final rule “Refusals to Accept Procedures for Premarket Tobacco Product Submissions”: Public Comments accepted until October 24, 2016 http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/RulesRegulationsGuidance/ucm515155.htm https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/08/08/2016-18534/refuse-to-accept-procedures-for-premarket-tobacco-product-submissions
FDA tightening tobacco review process http://thehill.com/regulation/healthcare/290544-fda-tightening-tobacco-review-process
FDA announces DHHS Appeals Board upholds FDA’s Interpretation of How to Count Tobacco Retailer Violations http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdecisions/2016/dab2717.pdf
Single tobacco sale can yield multiple violations – HHS appeals board http://www.reuters.com/article/products-tobacco-penalty-idUSL1N1AS0E9
FDA’s CTP wins latest ruling in tobacco violations challenge http://www.csnews.com/product-categories/tobacco/fdas-ctp-wins-latest-ruling-tobacco-violations-challenge
22nd Century reports $6 million loss in 2nd quarter (very low nicotine cigarette maker relies on FDA for its past, present and future cigarette sales, as smokers won’t buy them) http://www.journalnow.com/business/business_news/local/nd-century-reports-larger-loss-in-second-quartearticle_8a000515-5f94-5ea3-85c2-6ba06a6cb025.html
CEI/CASAA v DOT: Corrected Opening Brief of Plaintiffs lawsuit challenging DOT’s vaping ban on US airlines https://dlbjbjzgnk95t.cloudfront.net/0826000/826617/cei%20casaa%20brief.pdf
DC Circ. asked to undo DOT’s ban of e-cigs on flights https://www.law360.com/articles/826617/dc-circ-asked-to-undo-dot-s-ban-of-e-cigs-on-flights
Cannabis Harm Reduction (and lack thereof)
Obama’s DEA chief Chuck Rosenberg rejects Governors’ request to remove marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug, claims “This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not." http://www.npr.org/2016/08/10/489509471/dea-rejects-attempt-to-loosen-federal-restrictions-on-marijuana http://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=3010607-AA-Rosenberg-Marijuana-Petition-Ltr-08-11-2016
Note that many of the same Big Pharma funded vapor prohibitionists (e.g. ACS, AHA, ALA, AAP) similarly claim there’s no scientific evidence marijuana is safe or effective.
New York Times editorial: Stop treating marijuana like heroin http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/opinion/a-small-victory-for-more-sensible-marijuana-policies.html
Gallup poll finds 13% of US adults admit to smoking marijuana (up from 7% in 2013) http://www.gallup.com/poll/194195/adults-say-smoke-marijuana.aspx
Marijuana use set to overtake tobacco use in US http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0809/Marijuana-use-set-to-overtake-tobacco-use-in-US
Eight state, including California, will vote to legalize weed either for recreational or medicinal purposes in November http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/29/news/california-marijuana-legalization/
14 US Senate Democrats (including most US Senators who urged FDA to ban lifesaving vapor products) urge DHHS, Labor and Treasury Departments to ensure all healthcare insurers include coverage for (i.e. subsidize the costs of) ineffective FDA approved nicotine, gums, lozenges and less-than-safe psychoactive tobacco cessation drugs. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2542612 https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/minority-media/murray-carper-senate-dems-more-to-do-to-fully-implement-aca-tobacco-cessation-benefits-offer-tobacco-users-tools-to-quit-
Sally Satel: Obamacare is hazardous to smoker’s health http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallysatel/2016/08/09/obamacare-is-hazardous-to-smokers-health/#5952d59611d9 https://healthaffairs.espstores.com/Articles/HA/July_2016/2015.1540.pdf
Ali Meyer: Obamacare costs incentivized smokers to forego coverage, smoke more http://freebeacon.com/issues/obamacare-costs-incentivized-smokers-forego-coverage-smoke/
‘The stop smoking pill made me do it’: Man found not criminally responsible for shooting wife https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/08/09/the-stop-smoking-pill-made-me-do-it-man-found-not-criminally-responsible-for-shooting-wife/
RJ Reynolds hit with $5 million verdict over veteran’s cancer death https://www.law360.com/articles/828680/rj-reynolds-hit-with-5m-verdict-over-veteran-s-cancer-death
PA vape shop owners say 40 percent tax will cause closures http://triblive.com/news/valleynewsdispatch/10934728-74/tax-state-vape
The money is starting to roll in on California’s 17 ballot propositions. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-money-raised-november-california-propositions-20160811-snap-htmlstory.html
Colorado Proposed Initiative #143 would increase cigarette tax from $.84 to $2.59/pack, increase OTP tax from 40% to 62% of manufacturer price http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/Initiatives/titleBoard/results/2015-2016/143Results.html
Colorado voters could increase cigar tax http://halfwheel.com/colorado-voters-could-increase-cigar-tax/127473
Missouri Sec of State approves two ballot initiatives to increase the cigarette tax by $.60/pack (phased in over four years) and to increase the cigarette tax by $.23/pack http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article94561952.html http://www.sos.mo.gov/cmsimages/Elections/Petitions/2016-152.pdf
($.60/pack tax hike) http://www.sos.mo.gov/cmsimages/Elections/Petitions/2016-080.pdf
($.23/pack tax hike)
Legal fight still looms for RYH4K IP despite making ballot (MO) http://themissouritimes.com/32676/legal-fight-still-looms-ryh4k-ip-despite-making-ballot/
Irish Dept of Finance advocates taxing vapor products http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-urged-to-introduce-e-cigarette-liquid-levy-1.2749517
E-cigarette levy would punish ex-smokers (Ireland) http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/e-cigarette-levy-would-punish-ex-smokers-1.2750599
IVVA: Government data reveals an e-cigarette tax poses risks to public health in Ireland http://www.ivva.ie/latest-news/study-reveals-health-harms-of-ecig-tax/
Irish Vape Vendors Association’s Gillian Golden and Pat Doorley of ASH Ireland debate vapor product taxation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFP16Dku6Tg&feature=youtu.be
E-cig ban on Allegheny County Health Department radar (PA) http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2016/08/15/E-cig-ban-on-Allegheny-County-Health-department-radastories/201608150026
Bill Godshall: Smokefree Pennsylvania again urges Allegheny County Board of Health to reject proposed vaping ban (PA) https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/smokefree-pennsylvania-again-urges-allegheny-county-boh-to-reject-proposed-vaping-ban.760009/
Opinions divided on banning of e-cigarettes in public places (PA) http://www.post-gazette.com/news/health/2016/08/16/Opinions-divided-on-banning-of-e-cigarettes-in-public-places/stories/201608160057
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette editorial nonsensically claims vaping has “known health risks and dangers from chemical byproducts still to be determined,” repeats ACHD director Karen Hacker’s lie that vaping “renormalizes” smoking, endorses proposed cigarette protecting vaping ban http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/08/16/Vapers-as-smokers-Approve-the-county-regulations-for-public-use/stories/201608310054
Hermosa Beach (CA) bans smoking and vaping on sidewalks, streets, parking lots, beaches, parks, plazas and other outdoor locations http://www.dailybreeze.com/social-affairs/20160727/want-to-smoke-in-hermosa-beach-starting-next-month-good-luck http://halfwheel.com/hermosa-beach-calif-expands-smoking-ban/127169
Ann Arbor (MI) City Council raises legal minimum age for tobacco and vapor sales to 21 (but MI’s tobacco tax law may preempt the local law, and MI has not yet banned vapor product sales to minors under 18 because Big Pharma shills ACS, AHA, ALA and other public health frauds convinced Gov. Snyder to veto bills that would have done so) http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arboindex.ssf/2016/08/ann_arbor_is_first_city_in_mic.html http://halfwheel.com/ann-arbor-mich-increase-tobacco-purchase-age-to-21/127029
Schenectedy County (NY) Legislature increases minimum age for sales of deadly cigarette, low risk OTP and lifesaving vapor products to 21 http://halfwheel.com/schenectady-county-n-y-increase-tobacco-purchase-age-to-21/127624
NATO establishes new website focusing on local tobacco restrictions http://www.cspdailynews.com/category-news/tobacco/articles/new-total-website-focuses-local-tobacco-restrictions
Legalizing Nicotine Vapor Products
Colin Mendelsohn: Nicotine vaping should be legal (Australia / New Zealand) http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/tobacco-treatment-specialist-nicotine-vaping-should-be-legal-20160815-gqsktg.html
New Nicotine Alliance: Call to Legalise Nicotine for Electronic Cigarettes (Australia) http://nnalliance.org.au/48-application-to-make-e-cigarettes-with-nicotine-legally-available-in-australia
Australian Consultation: Proposed amendments to the Poison Standards (until 9/1/2016) https://www.tga.gov.au/consultation-invitation/consultation-proposed-amendments-poisons-standard-acms-meeting-november-2016
Hostility to harm reduction in smoking: expert (Australian THR advocate Wayne Hall) https://ajp.com.au/news/nicotine-vaping-reschedule-unlikely-expert/
E-cigarettes could reduce smoking, says GP (New Zealand) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11686626
More on Australia and New Zealand proposals to legalize nicotine vapor products https://nicotinepolicy.net/n-s-p/6460-consultations-australia
World’s vaping industry under thick cloud as HK moves to complete ban http://harbourtimes.com/2016/08/10/worlds-vaping-industry-under-thick-cloud-as-hk-moves-to-complete-ban/
Vapers claim e-cigarette ban not based on any study, cite RTI reply (India) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/Vapers-claim-e-cigarette-ban-not-based-on-any-study-cite-RTI-reply/articleshow/53609261.cms
Rustam Singh: India’s got a vape problem http://motherboard.vice.com/read/india-sentences-man-to-jail-for-having-a-vape-even-though-its-not-illegal
Vaping Hungary exposes dozens of false claims about vaping, vapor products and vapor companies in a cigarette protecting Hungarian public health institutes report that calls for banning vape shops and online sales, and by banning vaping where smoking is banned. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8vdHyhpFCy5N3Jpby1scFAwZ2M/view?pref=2&pli=1
Vaping Hungary request for expert opinions https://vapinghungary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/request-for-expert-opinions.html
UN Anti-tobacco meeting seeks to ban high-ranking government officials (and THR supporters) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/yael-ossowski/un-antitobacco-meeting-se_b_11421470.html
Junk Science, Propaganda and Lies
NIDA funded Yale anti-vapor activists find 20% of teen smokers who vaped in 2013 no longer smoked cigarettes six months later, and teen smokers who first used e-cigs to “quit smoking” in 2013 were 20 times more likely (than those using e-cigs for other reasons) to report continued vaping six months later. But abstract and press releases fail to report those findings, and instead advocate cost increases for e-cigs, banning vaping, and other measures to prevent smokers from switching to vaping. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27503349 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/08/04/peds.2016-0895 http://news.yale.edu/2016/08/08/low-cost-and-desire-quit-smoking-spur-prolonged-e-cigarette-use-among-youth http://www.medpagetoday.com/Pediatrics/GeneralPediatrics/59570?xid=NL_breakingnews_2016-08-08&eun=g220600d0r https://consumer.healthday.com/cancer-information-5/electronic-cigarettes-970/why-teens-keep-using-e-cigarettes-713639.html
Clive Bates debunks NIDA funded Yale junk science anti-vaping propaganda and policy advocacy disguised as research (that was issued and hyped to news media by Big Pharma funded AAP, which has lied about e-cigs and urged FDA to ban them since 2009) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27503349
SFATA statement regarding study on reasons for teens trying e-cigs http://sfata.org/statement-smoke-free-alternatives-trade-association-regarding-study-reasons-teens-trying-e-cigs/
Reuter’s article by Jilian Mincer further misrepresents findings by NIDA funded vapor prohibitionists at Yale (and published/hyped to news media by Big Pharma shill AAP) without any fact checking http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-vaping-study-idUSKCN10J0BN
Press release by vapor prohibitionist O’Neill Institute repeats DHHS funded lies about vapor products and teens to confuse, scare and advocate FDA vapor deeming ban. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160809095819.htm
Clive Bates and Zvi Herzog detail incompetence and many false claims in Pisinger & Dosing study entitled “A systemic review of health effects of electronic cigarettes” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25456810
FDA/NCI funded OSU vapor prohibitionists deceitfully say American smokers are “encountering a lot of unproven claims that the new products are safer and can help smokers quit,” falsely accused vapor companies of violating the MRTP section of FDA’s Deeming Rule (before it went into effect), outrageously insinuate that nothing can be true unless FDA says so, and that FDA trumps the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. https://www.osu.edu/features/2016/unproven-claims.html
Clive Bates replies to FDA/NCI funded OSH vapor prohibitionist’s allegations http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27446984
Extremists claim vapor ads urge exsmokers to resume smoking, want vapor ads banned: Can e-cigarettes undermine former smokers? An experimental study http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/trsg/trs/2016/00000002/00000003/art00006?token=005b1cdbd141c024a3f567232d45232b4224416a4d574963563e773568293c6c567e504f58762f46a6748b0e9ed
CDC bemoans racial disparities among cigarette smokers, but refuses to tell smokers vapor products have helped millions of smokers quit, are far less harmful alternatives. http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2016/p0804-ethnic-groups-smoking.html http://www.cdc.gov/mmwvolumes/65/wmm6530a1.htm?s_cid=mm6530a1_e
Big Pharma funded American Cancer Society report criticizes state legislatures, fails to ethically disclose Big Pharma funding, falsely and selfishly claims: - “states can save lives, reduce healthcare costs” by taxing very low risk vapor and smokeless tobacco products at same rate as deadly cigarettes, - raising minimum age for vapor products to 21 does “not benefit the tobacco industry”, - businesses owners cannot distinguish vapor products from cigarettes and allowing vaping in businesses makes it difficult to enforce smoking bans, and - cancers and cancer deaths have been reduced by State tobacco control programs and by mandatory government subsidization of Big Pharma drugs for tobacco users. http://www.acscan.org/content/media-centenew-report-shows-states-are-making-progress-implementing-policies-to-reduce-toll-of-cance http://www.acscan.org/content/report-cards/2016/ http://www.acscan.org/content/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HDYMU-2016.pdf
Mississippi State Health Officer Mary Currier falsely claims “studies show that e-cigarette use leads to cigarette consumption,” repeats other false and misleading fear mongering claims about lifesaving vapor products. http://www.wtva.com/news/Report_Use_of_devices_such_as_e-cigarettes_increase_nicotine_exposure.html
South African Health MinisterAaron Motsoaledi falsely claims: “Some e-cigarettes have nicotine, which means they are just as bad as cigarettes,” and “There is also a belief that those that don’t have nicotine, are introducing youngsters to smoking. When they start catching it, the next level is to go to real cigarettes.” http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/is-south-africas-strong-stance-on-smoking-set-to-cover-e-cigarettes-too-20160811
FDA/NIH funded UNC activists find most teen e-cig users were smokers in 2011 and 2013, criticize dual use (which occurs when most smokers switch to vaping), cite fraudulent studies claiming e-cig use leads to cigarette smoking, conclude that adolescents need to be educated about the “risks of using any nicotine-containing products” https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2016/15_0564.htm http://www.medpagetoday.com/pulmonology/smoking/59524 http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/unc-study-finds-more-youths-experimenting-with-e-cigs/article_d406ecd3-7fb9-57ff-affd-fa08778d1635.html
FDA/NIH funded UNC activists falsely claim vaping not an effective way to quit smoking, urge ineffective and less than safe FDA approved drugs instead. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article95759247.html
Kevin Urich conflates lifesaving vaping with deadly cigarette smoking (CA) http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/story/detail/?id=16256
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2016.07.20 17:04 RunDNA Is James Dela Cruz not in the live band anymore?
by Mikey Cahill says he is not:
Speaking of The Avalanches, they’ve hit a speed bump on the worldwide Wildflower tour.
Their Facebook page states they’ve cancelled overseas dates. “Due to a medical condition requiring treatment in Australia, Tony has been advised against international travel for the next few months.” This may be a smokescreen. James De La Cruz is no longer a current member of the live act, according to a trusty source and a replacement band could not be organised in two weeks before heading overseas.
Sources suggest financial negotiations may have broken down pre-tour and led to the band putting off live sets including Fuji Rock in Japan, Oya Festival in Norway (where I was hoping to review them, drats) and more.
A new band will play with core members Robbie Chater and Tony Di Blasi at Splendour in The Grass’ preparty, co-headlined by The Kills. It’ll be interesting to see who steps into the band at the 11th hour.
I have it on good authority The Avalanches will play Falls Festival and sideshows. Yep. Whatever is happening, we wish ’em well: The Avalanches aren’t like other bands.
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